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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:03 AM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56 UTC-7, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>>  I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be used as
>> is.
>>
>
> Oh..... kay....
>
>
>> I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an
>> attachment.
>> I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
>> Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to follow.
>>
>
> Yeah, even if I wasn't drunk posting I couldn't understand that huge body
> of text. If using a basic word requires collegiate or university level
> maths/physics then I'll drop every fucking account right now and go learn
> Volapuk just to spite all of you. If you can't phrase it so a drunk / child
> can understand it, your idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo'o
>

While I am in agreement with Lindar on this ^ point, it doesn't really
matter, because while you (selpa'i) may have indeed developed a means of
describing rotational motion from within the confines of the current
definition of carna, you completely overlook the fact that carna is
sometimes used to mean "x1 turns to x3", which is a different kind of
rotating, and is the REASON we need at least one new word.

From my quick glance through the corpus, in fact, carna is used to mean
that as much as 2 out of 3 times. Since any change to the language needs to
have minimum (and preferably no) impact on past usage, if it is found that
the "turn" usage is the prevalent one, then our course of action is,
obviously, to redefine carna as "turn" and to create at least one word for
the type of rotational motion that cares about axes and direction. And
since the current definition of carna isn't exactly clear, as evidenced by
Lindar's comments and your need for an extremely technical description,
then the new word(s) should not have that definition, but instead one that
is readily understandable.

So, selpa'i, can you translate "Gerald turned to the North and waved." for
us, using carna?

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:03 AM, la .lindar. <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56 UTC-7, selpa&#39;i  wr=
ote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <tt>I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be
      used as is. <br></tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Oh.=
.... kay....</div><div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><tt>
      I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an
      attachment. <br>
      I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
      <br>
      Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to
      follow.
</tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yeah, even if I wasn&#39;=
t drunk posting I couldn&#39;t understand that huge body of text. If using =
a basic word requires collegiate or university level maths/physics then I&#=
39;ll drop every fucking account right now and go learn Volapuk just to spi=
te all of you. If you can&#39;t phrase it so a drunk / child can understand=
 it, your idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo&#39;o</div>
</blockquote></div><br>While I am in agreement with Lindar on this ^ point,=
 it doesn&#39;t really matter, because while you (selpa&#39;i) may have ind=
eed developed a means of describing rotational motion from within the confi=
nes of the current definition of carna, you completely overlook the fact th=
at carna is sometimes used to mean &quot;x1 turns to x3&quot;, which is a d=
ifferent kind of rotating, and is the REASON we need at least one new word.=
<br>
<br>From my quick glance through the corpus, in fact, carna is used to mean=
 that as much as 2 out of 3 times. Since any change to the language needs t=
o have minimum (and preferably no) impact on past usage, if it is found tha=
t the &quot;turn&quot; usage is the prevalent one, then our course of actio=
n is, obviously, to redefine carna as &quot;turn&quot; and to create at lea=
st one word for the type of rotational motion that cares about axes and dir=
ection. And since the current definition of carna isn&#39;t exactly clear, =
as evidenced by Lindar&#39;s comments and your need for an extremely techni=
cal description, then the new word(s) should not have that definition, but =
instead one that is readily understandable.<br>
<br>So, selpa&#39;i, can you translate &quot;Gerald turned to the North and=
 waved.&quot; for us, using carna?<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&=
#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu=
k. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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