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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:38 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:03:02 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:25:56 UTC-7, selpa'i wrote:
>>>
>>>  I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be used as
>>> is.
>>>
>>
>> Oh..... kay....
>>
>>
>>> I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an
>>> attachment.
>>> I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
>>> Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to follow.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, even if I wasn't drunk posting I couldn't understand that huge body
>> of text. If using a basic word requires collegiate or university level
>> maths/physics then I'll drop every fucking account right now and go learn
>> Volapuk just to spite all of you. If you can't phrase it so a drunk / child
>> can understand it, your idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo'o
>>
> I fully support la sepla'is idea of still using {carna}. But I also think
> that carna2 can and should be filled by {mi}.
>
> "the screen rotates clockwise" = {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo pritu}
> "the screen rotates counterclockwise" = {lo tivni ku carna [mi] fi lo
> zunle}
>
> {mi} can definitely be dropped.
> {pritycarna}.... etc. is another option.
> la selpa'is opinion was independently worked out by me (although I
> suggested a single new gismu with another order or places (the order is
> irrelevant)). This (together with *lo ka la selpa'i ku jbocre*) hints
> that the issue is gonna be fixed soon.
> Please reach Robin if you can and point him to the last la selpa'is post.
> Or start using {carna} with clarified meaning of carna2 right away. Or just
> don't fill it at all. Even with this new proposal carna2 still wont be used
> much.
>

No, carna 2 can only be unfilled when it's obvious. IT will be filled quite
often, because you have to establish at the least which point (using
selpa'i's picture) is L, and that's the x2 place.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:38 AM, la gleki <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:03:02 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. =
wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Friday, 24 August 2012 04:=
25:56 UTC-7, selpa&#39;i  wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <tt>I argue that no new gismu are needed and that {carna} can be
      used as is. <br></tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh..... k=
ay....</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgco=
lor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<tt>
      I wrote a description of how I use carna, with a picture as an
      attachment. <br>
      I hope it explains my point of view (no pun intended) well enough.
      <br>
      Open the picture before reading this or it will be impossible to
      follow.
</tt></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, even if I wasn&#39;t drun=
k posting I couldn&#39;t understand that huge body of text. If using a basi=
c word requires collegiate or university level maths/physics then I&#39;ll =
drop every fucking account right now and go learn Volapuk just to spite all=
 of you. If you can&#39;t phrase it so a drunk / child can understand it, y=
our idea is bad and you should feel bad. zo&#39;o</div>
</blockquote></div><div>I fully support la sepla&#39;is idea of still using=
 {carna}. But I also think that carna2 can and should be filled by {mi}.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>&quot;the screen rotates clockwise&quot; =3D {lo tiv=
ni ku carna [mi] fi lo pritu}</div>
<div>&quot;the screen rotates counterclockwise&quot; =3D {lo tivni ku carna=
 [mi] fi lo zunle}=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>{mi} can definitely be d=
ropped.</div><div>{pritycarna}.... etc. is another option.</div><div>la sel=
pa&#39;is opinion was independently worked out by me (although I suggested =
a single new gismu with another order or places (the order is irrelevant)).=
 This (together with <i>lo ka la selpa&#39;i ku jbocre</i>) hints that the =
issue is gonna be fixed soon.</div>
<div>Please reach Robin if you can and point him to the last la selpa&#39;i=
s post. Or start using {carna} with clarified meaning of carna2 right away.=
 Or just don&#39;t fill it at all. Even with this new proposal carna2 still=
 wont be used much.</div>
</blockquote></div><br>No, carna 2 can only be unfilled when it&#39;s obvio=
us. IT will be filled quite often, because you have to establish at the lea=
st which point (using selpa&#39;i&#39;s picture) is L, and that&#39;s the x=
2 place.<br clear=3D"all">
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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