Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:43225) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T4zBD-0007cM-Fr; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:33 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf694880wey.16 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nFP3EjMS5W9LnC+ctHWs/dvSK3FPv/a57KvY8a050+0=; b=MX7LKtY1mnE8IKYpwrpUNtLLJfazaLZ11mGOwjbXKp2wQ3fNF4eA/L/yqydK08xX33 o9LEo3TMMDWQyYBEJFBSllOcubSycI6raydpfGZ8rOWBd0KrRu7sJeM3feV2deQcmV2M wOttNWYehpTp9lW2G0bfj0odrNcRRL56ePwwBFGlAcb1NlTfiiyAe+bHVAKVTxaqN/vx UjtCJzZgr1iacibgVzMrJD1Tz+pjZURlRiXxENSIhLGECUf0jQ1euM+RWyzwJO4k16YE 8Z6iGCwfhasWwt1Wug4eyrxdN4zLR+cghcgVycsIQUrIGc0Jb3mLH+pTTeCg4CCRMuCc +7ow== Received: by 10.216.4.225 with SMTP id 75mr131658wej.41.1345835055920; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.2.133 with SMTP id 5ls599290eef.1.gmail; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.176.196 with SMTP id b44mr5179471eem.4.1345835055205; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.176.196 with SMTP id b44mr5179469eem.4.1345835055195; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f45.google.com (mail-ee0-f45.google.com [74.125.83.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si14775173eep.0.2012.08.24.12.04.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.45; Received: by eeke53 with SMTP id e53so856072eek.4 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.193.136 with SMTP id k8mr8140977een.9.1345835055100; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.77] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm31971219eel.15.2012.08.24.12.04.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5037D02C.20103@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:04:12 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <7e604d79-8ecd-4690-bc39-bf48b601d46f@googlegroups.com> <5036D423.5050101@gmail.com> <34c8db6a-3ddd-48cb-b36c-2748ed06d72d@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <34c8db6a-3ddd-48cb-b36c-2748ed06d72d@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / la gleki, On 24/08/2012 15:15: > > > On Friday, August 24, 2012 4:42:37 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: > > CLEARLY we must invent a new gismu for this! > I propose {bleni} because "Blah!" for how you react to this suggestion, and then it also sounds like "any". > > On a more serious note, I think a clear-cut PA would be very handy. > > - Give me an apple? > - Which one? There are several in this basket. > - Any. I want to eat. > > I think logic can't define the difference between "one of..." and "any". I showed you in an earlier message how logic can do it. If you are committed to the logical aspect of Lojban (as I believe you are), don't you hace a responsibility to seek and explore the logic behind the difference? --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.