Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:45310) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T52zf-0000jo-LB; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:56 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf2363401yho.16 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=q765ekifenf2qizcV+cSR58DwIlkLCkn0xeDN76Uii4=; b=Az9a51i63+t8rO8jpXypSbDbJkIWm1lxT2pktf06pjqG32TTiCOJmSmbAp7ro9KMEP Q25r2r+/z6gkZAk4Sums6QRbhuyb69S+tn192hcA6TiWHkg6BNQQOyJt/nVLAP+TC0qL i/q8DEfRpCv00m437gPvajdL1d1yxb4k3cnSLqzW9RZRcmKPk7uHZS7roYNxc0VuvRYW NP/4lEdO7XDVJ7RTmoOznk2xUCsbjvsje+Kd/1ktgXmEbeB0jl1REOuOOnVk06HMqvRs MaRgEx+MlkArS2bSCa/G5XPuqqypqxLORXj/+rnqjMFsNv2ZJ7vi9YIIWZD+M0u4RBCv lxfw== Received: by 10.236.184.196 with SMTP id s44mr536113yhm.16.1345849720997; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.120.244 with SMTP id p80ls2597020yhh.0.gmail; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.115.226 with SMTP id e62mr3561020yhh.34.1345849720358; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.115.226 with SMTP id e62mr3561019yhh.34.1345849720346; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t29si3245810yha.0.2012.08.24.16.08.39; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E511D82 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Direction of Rotation Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:08:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <5037E85C.7010507@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5037E85C.7010507@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201208241908.37373.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday 24 August 2012 16:47:24 selpa'i wrote: > It's not a different kind of rotating. You still rotate around some axis > in some direction. In "x1 turns to x3", x3 is the direction, and the > rotation stops once x1 faces x3. It's still an event of carna, which was > my point. It is indeed an event of carna, but "carna" has no place for the orientation at which the turning stops, which is why we need a new word. I think that x2, not x3, should be the orientation when it finishes turning, for consistency with "klama" and "plipe". > It breaks no usage. As explained above, there is no difference between > rotating and turning that would require a seperate gismu. > > > So, selpa'i, can you translate "Gerald turned to the North and waved." > > for us, using carna? > > (1) la. gerald. cu carna fi lo berti gi'e xance desku rinsa "carna fi lo berti" means that the direction of turning was north, which implies that the axis of turning passes through the north. It says nothing about which way Gerald was facing when he stopped turning. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.