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<5037E85C.7010507@gmx.de> <201208241908.37373.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201208241908.37373.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:08:36PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 24 August 2012 16:47:24 selpa'i wrote: > > It's not a different kind of rotating. You still rotate around > > some axis in some direction. In "x1 turns to x3", x3 is the > > direction, and the rotation stops once x1 faces x3. It's still > > an event of carna, which was my point. > > It is indeed an event of carna, but "carna" has no place for the > orientation at which the turning stops, which is why we need a new > word. I think that x2, not x3, should be the orientation when it > finishes turning, for consistency with "klama" and "plipe". > > > It breaks no usage. As explained above, there is no difference > > between rotating and turning that would require a seperate > > gismu. > > > > > So, selpa'i, can you translate "Gerald turned to the North and > > > waved." for us, using carna? > > > > (1) la. gerald. cu carna fi lo berti gi'e xance desku rinsa > > "carna fi lo berti" means that the direction of turning was north, > which implies that the axis of turning passes through the north. Not "passes through the north", but only that it was towards the north. > It says nothing about which way Gerald was facing when he stopped > turning. Ennnnh. Given this definition of carna, "turned to face X" seems like it's just a carna / farna lujvo to me. The big problem is how long it takes to explain it, but I think I can fix that, and I'll perhaps attempt it tomorrow. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.