On Sat, Aug 25, 20= 12 at 12:10 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:=

On 25 August 2012 10:23, l= a gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

OK. Please translate

"I could eat some specific app= le from that basket, namely the yellow (all the others are red)"
=
"I could eat any apple from that basket".

.i mi cit= ka da'i lo plise pe lo lanka zi'e poi pelxu
.i mi citka d= a'i roda poi plise zi'e pe lo lanka

I'= ve never had issues expressing these concepts before. I honestly don't = see how this is even a problem.=A0

As far as I'm concerned, this is a non-problem.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
=A0

On Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:10:27 PM UTC+4, And Rosta= wrote:
la gleki, On 25/08/2012 08:1= 0:
>
>
> On Friday, August 24, 2012 5:08:51 AM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 la gleki, On 20/08/2012 09:53:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> On Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:46:19 AM UTC+4, And= Rosta wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0> So "mi citka ma kau" would mean not &quo= t;I eat anything" but rather "I eat whatever it is that I eat&quo= t; -- because "do djuno lo du'u mi citka ma kau" means "= Whatever it is that I eat, you know know that I eat it" =3D "You = know what I eat".
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> That makes "mi citka ma kau" still possi= bly useful, but doesn't give us a way to say "I eat anything"= . For that, I suggest "ro da su'o mu'ei ku mi citka da", = "ro da ka'e ku mi citka da", "I could eat anything"= , or else "ro da ro mu'ei ku mi citka da", "I would eat = anything".
> =A0 =A0 =A0>
> =A0 =A0 =A0> Two questions.
> =A0 =A0 =A0> 1. Don't you think that it can mean "for = each specific x in a
> =A0 =A0 =A0> possible world it's possible/necessary that I = will eat it".
>
> =A0 =A0 It means "For each x, it is the case that in all/some= circumstances/eventualities I will/would/can/could eat it". Which is = what "I will/would/can/could eat anything means", no?
>
> Please don't translate {su'omu'ei} as "...I will/= would/can/could eat it " because it explains nothing.

I translated it as "in some circumstances/eventualities"..= .

> Let's use your definition from the wiki for instance.
> /mi su'o mu'ei citka/=3D "... there are possible worl= ds wherein I eat"
>
> Let's try to describe "da" which will mean some appl= es present in our basket.
> We'll describe the situation *"I could eat any apple from= that basket"*.
> Let's take {ro da su'omu'ei ku mi mi citka da}. It wil= l mean "For each x which can mean different things in different possib= le worlds I eat this x".
> However, "I could eat any of these apples" describes the= apples present in this world.

Those same apples exist in infinitely many worlds.

> "any" in this sentence means that the choice is distribu= ted over real
> apples, not over what each apple turns into in some possible world= s.

That's not what "any" itself means. The apples in questio= n remain the same across possible worlds.

"ro da poi me le plise zo'u mi su'o mu'ei citka da&quo= t; means "Each of these applies is such that there is some possible wo= rld/circumstance/eventuality in which I eat it".

> In other words, "da su'omu'ei ku" can mean one s= pecific object that
> can be other than apple but "da su'omu'ei ku" do= esn't express that
> these options refer only to the set of apples present in this
> basket.

No, but "da poi me le plise" does. Your problem has to do wit= h the lack of restriction on da, not on the introduction of "suo'o= mu'ei".

> I'd express our situation as {mi su'omu'ei ku citka lo= su'a plise pe
> ti poi lanka}> And {mi su'omu'ei ku citka lo su'ana= i plise pe ti poi
> lanka} - describes some specific apples present in this basket. = =3D "I
> could eat some specific apples (that I have in mind) present in th= is
> basket".

Delete {su'a} because it adds nothing to the logical form:

{mi su'omu'ei ku citka lo plise pe ti poi lanka [ke'a]}

Your sentence(s) mean "I could eat the basketed apple(s) here"= ;. It doesn't have the "any" meaning (except to the extent th= at it's included within the broad interpretation of {lo}).

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