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[98.139.53.208]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id y4si2753460vds.2.2012.08.25.18.57.26; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.53.208 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.53.208; Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm17.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.123] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 01:57:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2012 01:57:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 104875.75704.bm@omp1028.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48571 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2012 01:57:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eIJOtNoVM1nhStVBGIidDgtZJ_SEbl.RUOedJ9LktbhHnhN hHjUjXCoX31mMe.RXV5B81rCdTeBBlSqHxMpEXXtznT10IObRnOgosr8l.PS mkElyrcy.1TSg0mpJjM1QcMzjAChuM1MBWBeDTL.alBnva477deGb4DSyGCY 6TsLFs7T2nEnWfNinFbgQnTodmIOyBWB41JkVsY.OPY10Hkj.WqhZjUdY7qn .7nYR9Jo3NGbMecdE_Xt2f.y0z3HuaRuVrb9BBSHDoCSaLwpP49im0v2cy4D rgnu15l1NoTn8zcZI2T_7iUtgkpPvG0lR_8UidbSwPlErteJhRolk63Sqd3m E6cbEXWCfcBPtluikzCdyPW4PTCvnqxr0NbXwZtUWdkSMMNH7PBJ8esor8wT VeNrSIZcLT4h7y7luSCTsV1NY0oQpIJleoArZxLGUUt31xVOElnGFGiAjFvp nVHa_OZ1nBuIqKXPkJTEHp916wFJlNoCuz1Y4zqQXzS_Xu6sbllOO_WxhG6y 4FSovmhfCfI_cFQIemCg95tpYIFnwn5AqBFQtIGbOxRHuLnRNZaXdCZQAXdE jaP4RDdFFOle1qNfTp_iyC43o0ym_.v5VsWmHyhSBU9k8.2roIpjDCoK4TRc tSQb4WqGJRdZXeJKJBoC35AKQCYXPtzwxwtQ1m.CENFjBCkmkhKYCvII- Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:57:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.121.416 References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <7e604d79-8ecd-4690-bc39-bf48b601d46f@googlegroups.com> <5036D423.5050101@gmail.com> <34c8db6a-3ddd-48cb-b36c-2748ed06d72d@googlegroups.com> <20120825132428.GB25027@samsa> <5039220D.4030304@gmail.com> <2e2d09e2-7d8d-4bd1-9787-ad38e12f8c68@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1345946245.41308.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: <2e2d09e2-7d8d-4bd1-9787-ad38e12f8c68@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.53.208 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-6906265-1941593706-1345946245=:41308" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ---6906265-1941593706-1345946245=:41308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have a bunch of PA for "any" already; the trick is to use the right one = in the right place.=A0 To replace all of those (well, actually, two) with a= single word to be used anywhere is to lose logical precision, which is at = least one point of Lojban.=A0 To be sure, knowing what to use where require= s knowing what you are saying, but that is the point of any language and me= rely comes to the fore in moving from English to Lojban. We can get away wi= th not being clear what we are saying in English because our native speaker= intuitiin guides us through the morass, but, when we go to another languag= e (not just Lojban), we need to think things through to fit in with the new= idiom and short rules. like "any" is "some" or "any" is "all" don't always= work right, since the context in Lojban may not be that in English.=A0 So = far you have about three quarters of the cases for translating "any" and th= ey cover more than three quarters of the cases and point to the handling of the rest.=A0 Do you want the rest of the lecture? ________________________________ From: la .lindar. To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} =20 I was actually serious, you know. Why not have a PA for "any"? http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/PA4=A0 There a bunch of other weird numbers like, "Almost all" and "Too many", so = why not, "Any"? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/y6ee9ZmPAzYJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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We have a bunch of PA= for "any" already; the trick is to use the right one in the right place.&n= bsp; To replace all of those (well, actually, two) with a single word to be= used anywhere is to lose logical precision, which is at least one point of= Lojban.  To be sure, knowing what to use where requires knowing what = you are saying, but that is the point of any language and merely comes to t= he fore in moving from English to Lojban. We can get away with not being cl= ear what we are saying in English because our native speaker intuitiin guid= es us through the morass, but, when we go to another language (not just Loj= ban), we need to think things through to fit in with the new idiom and shor= t rules. like "any" is "some" or "any" is "all" don't always work right, si= nce the context in Lojban may not be that in English.  So far you have about three quarters of the cases for translating "any" and they cove= r more than three quarters of the cases and point to the handling of the re= st.  Do you want the rest of the lecture?



F= rom: la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent: Saturday, August 25, 201= 2 7:34 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] "Any" and {ro}

I was actually serious, you know.
Why not have= a PA for "any"?
http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/PA4 
There a bunch of other weird numbers like, "Almost all" and "To= o many", so why not, "Any"?
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