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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:14:50 +0100 Message-Id: <7F59D3D5-5098-46A0-836C-951115845E84@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <20100328192909.GG6600@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003281729t30ffbfcbge6209c18f8d01d36@mail.gmail.com> <06B70573-D388-4FA0-8F64-9BB9FFAFB2EC@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 26 Aug 2012, at 08:28, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> Well, I'm thinking in terms of performance. You have a narrator... Say, = Christopher Plummer is reading the text (as he does magnificently) and then= he wants to change his voice when Alice is speaking. So when he is reading= , using his normal voice for the narration and a falsetto voice for Alice..= .. are lu...liu falsetto, or normal? >>=20 >> I think normal. >=20 > Okay, first, what does "falsetto or not" have to do with the location in = the text of the guillemots?=20 It seems to me that the guillemots should flank what is said by the charact= er, not by the narrator. That is the way in which quotation marks are used. > Second, IIRC, non-Lojban equivalency symbols of Lojban words are only all= owed to be after the Lojban word, as in xu?, lu=AB, and li'u=BB. Daddy is reading a story to Mary. Daddy is doing the voices. Does Daddy-as-= narrator say "lu" and "li'u", or does Daddy-as-Alice say "lu" and "li'u"? The way you have it, with lu=AB and li'u=BB, would imply that Daddy-as-narr= ator says "lu" but that Daddy-as-Alice will say "li'u".=20 Michael Regarding "xu?" the typographical stricture is rather odd. In Chinese one a= sks "Ni hao ma?" where there is a redundant question mark by the question p= article. In Irish one asks "An bhfuil t=FA ceart go leor?" with the questio= n mark ending the sentence -- but the question particle is the first word "= an". Nevertheless one does not write "An? dtuigeann t=FA." --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.