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Relying on pragmatics is best when the semantics is sound, which is not cle=
ar here.=A0 I can't parse {nabyplane} off hand, so I'll skip that and also =
the awkwardness of having both {tu'a} and the elided predicate {citka} pres=
ent.=A0 The scope of {ma} is problematic: is it this world, where, admitted=
ly, the answer presumably lies, or the world of {lo nu do citka}, where the=
 language places it?=A0 Happily, the answer is a this-worldly {da}, which c=
overs the difference smoothly (the event world presumably in these cases in=
cludes the relevant portions of the actual world and, perhaps, then some).



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I wonder if we can rely on pragmatics...

{tu'a ma poi nabyplane do citka se djica}
{.i da}

We do have which, I think: {ma poi}


On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:25 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wro=
te:

To play devil's advocate, I think an unquantified sumti is pretty much what=
 we want.
>
>
>However, we don't have "which", so we don't really have "any".
>
>
>"Which sandwich do you want?"
>
>
>"Any sandwhich is fine."
>
>
>In Lojban I wouldn't say it that way.
>
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>{.i ko cuxna fi loi snuji} or summat.
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>Whatever... I'm out of opinions/suggestions.
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Relying on pragmatics=
 is best when the semantics is sound, which is not clear here.&nbsp; I can'=
t parse {nabyplane} off hand, so I'll skip that and also the awkwardness of=
 having both {tu'a} and the elided predicate {citka} present.&nbsp; The sco=
pe of {ma} is problematic: is it this world, where, admittedly, the answer =
presumably lies, or the world of {lo nu do citka}, where the language place=
s it?&nbsp; Happily, the answer is a this-worldly {da}, which covers the di=
fference smoothly (the event world presumably in these cases includes the r=
elevant portions of the actual world and, perhaps, then some).<br><div><br>=
</div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
 font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, t=
imes, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"
 size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</s=
pan></b> .arpis. &lt;rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"=
font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:14=
 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojb=
an] "Any" and {ro}<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1007116644">I wonder if we can rely on pragmatics...<br><br>{=
tu'a ma poi nabyplane do citka se djica}<br>{.i da}<br><br>We do have which=
, I think: {ma poi}<br><br><div class=3D"yiv1007116644gmail_quote">On Sat, =
Aug 25, 2012 at 10:25 PM, la .lindar. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" ymailto=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv1007116644gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">To play devil's advocate, I th=
ink an unquantified sumti is pretty much what we want.<div><br></div><div>H=
owever, we don't have "which", so we don't really have "any".</div>

<div><br></div><div>"Which sandwich do you want?"</div><div><br></div><div>=
"Any sandwhich is fine."</div><div><br></div><div>In Lojban I wouldn't say =
it that way.</div><div><br></div><div>{.i ko cuxna fi loi snuji} or summat.=
</div>

<div><br></div><div>Whatever... I'm out of opinions/suggestions.</div><div =
class=3D"yiv1007116644im">



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