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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 26.08.2012 16:26, schrieb Pierre Abbat:
>
>  "la so pintupi cu bevri lo kanguru": Does this mean that all nine
>> individually
>> carried kangaroos?
>>
>
> The inner quantifier is part of the name, so it means "The Nine Pintupi",
> but it doesn't tell us how many there are. They could carry them
> individually, but we don't know.
>
> You can force distributivity with an outer quantifier: "ro la so pintupi".
> To make it explicitly collective, you could say "lu'o la so pintupi".
> In both cases, we don't know how many pintupi there are.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>

Yeah, there were four people in "The Three Musketeers", for example.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, selpa&#39;i <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">sela=
dwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am <a href=3D"tel:26.08.2012%2016" value=3D"+12608201216" target=3D"_blank"=
>26.08.2012 16</a>:26, schrieb Pierre Abbat:<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
&quot;la so pintupi cu bevri lo kanguru&quot;: Does this mean that all nine=
 individually<br>
carried kangaroos?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
The inner quantifier is part of the name, so it means &quot;The Nine Pintup=
i&quot;, but it doesn&#39;t tell us how many there are. They could carry th=
em individually, but we don&#39;t know.<br>
<br>
You can force distributivity with an outer quantifier: &quot;ro la so pintu=
pi&quot;.<br>
To make it explicitly collective, you could say &quot;lu&#39;o la so pintup=
i&quot;.<br>
In both cases, we don&#39;t know how many pintupi there are.<br>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8888=
88"></font></span><br></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all">Yeah, there were=
 four people in &quot;The Three Musketeers&quot;, for example.<br><br>-- <b=
r>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa =
bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am yo=
ur father. :D )<br><br>

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