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On 26 Aug 2012, at 18:53, And Rosta wrote:

> I'd never heard of Jonathan's supposed rule either. If the guillemets are=
 going to cooccur with lu/li'u, then my taste as to where to put them would=
 be the same as Michael's, for precisely the reason he gives.

Well, that's two of us who share that taste. :-)

> My personal preference, tho, would be not to couple guillemets with lu/li=
'u but to use one or the other: if guillements are used, then treat them as=
 logographs rather than punctuation. I realize that's contrary to the Weste=
rn typographical tradition, but it seems more fitting to the spirit of Lojb=
an, which aimed to have speakable punctuation.

No, I wouldn't do that. Chinese has a question particle and also uses the q=
uestion mark redundantly. "?" is not like "2". "2" is a logograph for "=C3=
=A8r" or "two"; they are more or less interchangeable. But I don't believe =
that "?" is a logograph for "ma" any more than it is a logograph for Espera=
nto "=C4=89u".=20

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