Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:50596) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5kTc-0003qa-Ti; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:44 -0700 Received: by yenq11 with SMTP id q11sf4092859yen.16 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=Lba7spTTeAci9ZKqipx8mlXNrVxj1mJvUxYBRYwM7Rw=; b=r3K0EwcW0xvxNSsUr1k5mfhFkGRsMWp6tK1WlxiMs2ixDbO8Au1wSym7ZjWGqdsvc0 Vj7plal5VAP20gB3r+fSCDFYcMbc04/x7ospDe3rSVRCJK0XdrPfvnF/oDOBc+UCY6hw 0iJdo0u6pSXPizxaTEvqa59jyWrK9vxLQuvvHiclDq3jfHQWv4kcFX1DlKXq0Jj4WC2i 2DR8WPYERtpGZrvNkFU+71Rr8W8sE84PvXehyRxKkKzJbqAswHuFyhqN4yG/y6Q6tmVH jfiBfn7Me4kRqzKKOS6SRVha6FPeE+5U7uxzqdomBX6/a4W4OCWnIAlgqljUyjH6C/Kq 7SLA== Received: by 10.68.197.70 with SMTP id is6mr2180651pbc.14.1346016870308; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.195.39 with SMTP id ib7ls4629646pbc.9.gmail; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.222.225 with SMTP id qp1mr2005971pbc.8.1346016869730; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.222.225 with SMTP id qp1mr2005970pbc.8.1346016869695; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si7027143pby.0.2012.08.26.14.34.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from nobody by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5kTU-0003qR-TW for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:28 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5kTU-0003qD-7y; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:34:28 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] carna, my turn. Message-ID: <20120826213428.GX10684@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com, lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20120826203514.GV10684@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 03:02:00PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > And here's the actual definition plus notes/tutorial. This really > > is *fundamentally* complex, as we've discovered in this discussion. > > My previous version, which relied on the right hand rule, was very > > easy to define, but led to *horrendous* sentences that were > > extremely counter-intuitive. In this version, I've sacrificed some > > initial learning curve for very easy use once you get used to it. > > > > x1 turns about vector x2 towards direction x3, turning angular > > distance / to face point x4 > > > > I think that's the best idea for fixing carna I've seen yet. I'm certainly > for making this change. I do think the actual wording of the definition > could use a little polish, but that's my only contention. Feel free to suggest particular polishings. -Robin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.