Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:60273) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5np1-00050r-6Q; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:09:09 -0700 Received: by iadx2 with SMTP id x2sf3228534iad.16 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+Cy23osSS8Qhs0cT+wqYeiOQQSVsUaocmWxrWcy8fRQ=; b=KaCOKUEP7KttQ2PA/pdVcgMFYrXh2u/zH8tm8UwyhKOb1vd0H8iqkkd1DXFqLjtsNS HY0UnXTbR36ogCzTLBhPdtpMEoq5L39UCPHT75XzFBAELx5Ro4JgAZGR7daR5wdy8BBM PZQDoxBEorUeQhTUdTFTa93NZ+D3gAEeMS8qzl3feS75R1Tn6xaGb4ulOhcGAqevzG2U KKrFrKslM/uQqRYPGyooYSGLInvfPy/JexUl0s0+zMLmh6M3EKQToKS5jNCHY/RGhrug eA5fdcIja7NDJ/S/DlXLC4ZEkMtl5tAEXl7NmrYoM8HPmEBWbJnAwaH9OIlxOeEeP8TP BkRQ== Received: by 10.50.13.230 with SMTP id k6mr2093674igc.0.1346029728592; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.2.13 with SMTP id 13ls5374476ibh.1.gmail; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.13.137 with SMTP id pm9mr5241536icb.0.1346029727942; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.13.137 with SMTP id pm9mr5241535icb.0.1346029727926; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mb9si1696190igc.1.2012.08.26.18.08.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by obbwd20 with SMTP id wd20so5659484obb.9 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.7.99 with SMTP id i3mr8733597oea.86.1346029727592; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.76.132.2 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208261026.55969.phma@phma.optus.nu> <503A380E.8030406@gmx.de> From: ".arpis." Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] quantifier with "la" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb2052cc5300f04c834f70c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb2052cc5300f04c834f70c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 srana .u'i .i'o On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, selpa'i wrote: > >> Am 26.08.2012 16:26, schrieb Pierre Abbat: >> >> "la so pintupi cu bevri lo kanguru": Does this mean that all nine >>> individually >>> carried kangaroos? >>> >> >> The inner quantifier is part of the name, so it means "The Nine Pintupi", >> but it doesn't tell us how many there are. They could carry them >> individually, but we don't know. >> >> You can force distributivity with an outer quantifier: "ro la so pintupi". >> To make it explicitly collective, you could say "lu'o la so pintupi". >> In both cases, we don't know how many pintupi there are. >> >> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >> > > Yeah, there were four people in "The Three Musketeers", for example. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb2052cc5300f04c834f70c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable srana .u'i .i'o

On Sun, Aug 26, 2= 012 at 4:11 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:51 A= M, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 26.08.2012 16:26, schrieb Pierre Abbat:

"la so pintupi cu bevri lo kanguru": Does this mean that all nine= individually
carried kangaroos?

The inner quantifier is part of the name, so it means "The Nine Pintup= i", but it doesn't tell us how many there are. They could carry th= em individually, but we don't know.

You can force distributivity with an outer quantifier: "ro la so pintu= pi".
To make it explicitly collective, you could say "lu'o la so pintup= i".
In both cases, we don't know how many pintupi there are.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

Yeah, there were four peopl= e in "The Three Musketeers", for example.<= font color=3D"#888888">

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa = bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am yo= ur father. :D )

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