Received: from mail-gh0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:45973) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5o41-00054t-Gr; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:29 -0700 Received: by ghbf16 with SMTP id f16sf4178331ghb.16 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MkczApPc7hY4Hf0EpKuXlCHAURXNKO/cpKHjR+NrIiA=; b=B/2ss5iIjznj9A+tY4mxnv6rzdPwh90R+HmIXMTOH0pQ2uhFIMQLKY9yxcQKvhpbDa F18EAeRV/JuwfWrA6GZIg9+yESo4AiKPEUKjP161X8s1ei6KaYOFzee2gIVZ/EY5/kns bWskvMSt9oim2WXm1o9qBpdDvK+I1U6nWXF5bqRL2aGKUDgwHzdQEWWWaDi3SxicJYL4 T+joOCcCdBZ7JAdGlqKS6NaNladGJkhU7Axa4L1vk9l0/MwR/+SQALZNoccWHGjeY8yb +VLBpQC8EUOcOrR/vdKkSpipDCWO28Ns00lvZdXJSL1w93V6cs/cuHm61ltbsGNlgiTJ kVwQ== Received: by 10.236.87.71 with SMTP id x47mr722995yhe.6.1346030658968; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.113.178 with SMTP id a38ls3768378yhh.9.gmail; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.133.146 with SMTP id q18mr7209209yhi.12.1346030658416; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.133.146 with SMTP id q18mr7209208yhi.12.1346030658405; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i27si4881019yhe.4.2012.08.26.18.24.17; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F15D208E9 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:24:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] quantifier with "la" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3219631.p0hTEfCyLW@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.4 (Linux/3.2.0-29-generic; KDE/4.8.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <503A380E.8030406@gmx.de> References: <201208261026.55969.phma@phma.optus.nu> <503A380E.8030406@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, August 26, 2012 16:51:58 selpa'i wrote: > Am 26.08.2012 16:26, schrieb Pierre Abbat: > > "la so pintupi cu bevri lo kanguru": Does this mean that all nine > > individually carried kangaroos? > > The inner quantifier is part of the name, so it means "The Nine > Pintupi", but it doesn't tell us how many there are. They could carry > them individually, but we don't know. > > You can force distributivity with an outer quantifier: "ro la so pintupi". > To make it explicitly collective, you could say "lu'o la so pintupi". > In both cases, we don't know how many pintupi there are. There were nine (one has since died), and they are Pintupi. There are many other Pintupi: a few were left behind when most of the Pintupi moved, and twenty years later these nine were found living alone in the desert. Is "lu'o la so pintupi" equivalent to "la'i so pintupi"? Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.