Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:41888) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T5rNT-000698-AC; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:48 -0700 Received: by dano9 with SMTP id o9sf2906945dan.1 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0Td1JDmxCdYfc0OV92ojKUewJpZAQOWoEIypVJlK1nI=; b=YBbW5j7ByQ4uuLOZMirT4XMoNawIJSkMjL1JeZOhBZwkCEZ2ekoegswZ2ivuGQGsII QxtYJJIeLyl8t+xEkhZYCM/z4ynSYpXI5H1GCptc83Rr7cSEi7zbcbW5Adx5N3ngNb+O s1jHqzGoGbzOpqwqa3r9wEOjr0J3kaLQdcixMQWGJ1ZueIUgmynz5CV3F5WSc/nfO8cw wb/07owhJD8DS7bnltC9xdfC6CJzEKNeTO2wtgownOu1FX+DlMnFeTy1gP6UuF9mP6vn md/aH/xCWW9+WPy/6v7ALqCTq0WXryYeVvi5/til4tKL39Y48HpR2DAZ+TVfcwOlWCxN UBDg== Received: by 10.52.23.145 with SMTP id m17mr1524451vdf.0.1346043396551; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.141.4 with SMTP id k4ls2659823vcu.8.gmail; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.106.161 with SMTP id gv1mr4265649veb.23.1346043396014; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.106.161 with SMTP id gv1mr4265648veb.23.1346043395993; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f49.google.com (mail-vb0-f49.google.com [209.85.212.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cf2si3245517vdb.0.2012.08.26.21.56.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.49; Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fo1so4260301vbb.36 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.1.162 with SMTP id bh2mr11713015ved.13.1346043395852; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.95.234 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:56:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <325f818f-76ce-4f3c-b0c0-03dc4db2e9d8@googlegroups.com> References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <7e604d79-8ecd-4690-bc39-bf48b601d46f@googlegroups.com> <5036D423.5050101@gmail.com> <5038CEC3.4050708@gmail.com> <5039204B.1060401@gmail.com> <325f818f-76ce-4f3c-b0c0-03dc4db2e9d8@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc808e764b5704c8382657 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bdc808e764b5704c8382657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 27 August 2012 00:34, la gleki wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:58:19 PM UTC+4, And Rosta wrote: >> >> la gleki, On 25/08/2012 15:23: >> > OK. Please translate >> > >> > "I could eat some specific apple from that basket, namely the yellow >> (all the others are red)" >> >> "mi su'o mu'ei citka le plise je se lanka be ta" >> >> > "I could eat any apple from that basket". >> >> "ro da poi ge plise gi se lanka ta zo'u mi su'o mu'ei citka da" >> > > > 1. So "Give me any three apples from the basket!" would be {ro da poi > plise zo'u ko su'omu'ei dunda ci da}? So in every possible world I'm asking > for three {da}? > zo'oru'e .i ko mi setese dunda ci lo ro da poi ke'a ge plise gi se lanka ta > 2. Is it possible to get rid of {zo'u}? > Of course, but it's impossible to use different quantifiers on bound variables inside the same bridi. > > >> --And. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/sKR90CRrXtsJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On 27 August 2012 00:34, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


On Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:58:19 PM UTC+4, A= nd Rosta wrote:
la gleki, On 25/08/2= 012 15:23:
> OK. Please translate
>
> "I could eat some specific apple from that basket, namely the= yellow (all the others are red)"

"mi su'o mu'ei citka le plise je se lanka be ta"

> "I could eat any apple from that basket".

"ro da poi ge plise gi se lanka ta zo'u mi su'o mu'ei = =A0citka da"


1. So "Give = me any three apples from the basket!" =A0would be {ro da poi plise zo&= #39;u ko=A0su'omu'ei=A0dunda ci da}?=A0So in every possible world I= 'm asking for three {da}?

zo'oru'e .i ko mi setese dunda ci = lo ro da poi ke'a ge plise gi se lanka ta
=A0
2. Is it possible to get rid of {zo'u}?
Of course, but it's impossible to use different quantifiers= on bound variables inside the same bridi.
=A0


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