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Am 27.08.2012 18:00, schrieb la gleki:
>
> I was hinting at a scale (specific/ non-specific). It's something that 
> was completely lost after xorlo reform ({le} meant some objects that I 
> have in mind and therefore worked much like an attitudinal. I'm not 
> suggesting restoring pre-xorlo rules, of course).

lo is as specific as you want it to be, you can pick the zo'e. da is 
never specific, because it has no value.

>
> I must acknowledge that {ro da zo'u mi su'omu'ei citka da} solves the 
> problem (and I want exactly this sentence rephrased without {zo'u} 
> like it's possible to do in English).
> But if adding {e'o} turns it into "For every bunch of apples, make it 
> the case that you could give me three out of the bunch."
> then it's not a solution.

Why for every bunch? Don't you want three apples from this particular 
basket?

> "any" (in this sense) is {su'o} number of apples from the set in the 
> basket.
>
> If we have 4 apples (numbered from 1 to 4) then "Give me three apples 
> from the basket" would mean in all possible worlds ({romu'ei} ?) one 
> of the following:
> 123
> 124
> 134
> 234
>
> So here "Give me any three apples" = "In every possible world give me 
> exactly three apples out of the 4 from that basket."

Using ro mu'ei for this is quite extreme. It would include worlds in 
which one of the persons got shot, and still you want that other person 
to give you the apples anyway. I don't think mu'ei is at all needed 
here, and it's awkward to involve possible words in a command as 
concrete as the one at hand.

     ko dunda ci plise [pe lo lanka] mi
     "Make it true that you give me three apples from the basket, it 
doesn't matter which three."
     "Give me any three apples from the basket."

Adding ro mu'ei would be a nice way to make this very impolite and bossy.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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