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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi
>
> In what follows, scales are certain colections of properties (in the
> sense of CLL 15.5).
> Examples of scales are
>
>  1. colour properties, e.g. {lo ka blanu}
>  2. direction relations, e.g. {lo ka gapru}
>  3. animal/plant types, e.g. {lo ka mlatu}
>  4. family relations, e.g. {lo ka mamta}
>  5. compass directions, e.g. {lo ka berti}
>  6. genders, e.g. {lo ka fetsi}
>
> The scale of colours is part of the definition of {skari}, which
> requires a colour as its x2.
> Similarly, {farna} defines the scale of directions (according to one
> interpretation).
>
> brivla for talking about a recognized scale is a relevant vocabulary
> demand. Using
> existent vocabulary, we can easily and precisely ask what colour an
> object is, or about
> the direction from one point to another. However, in order to talk
> about family relations,
> compass directions, or non-binary genders, we need some circumlocutions.
>
> Talk about these abstract scales is greatly simplified when we have a
> brivla with a
> definition like
>   "x1 has property x2 of scale S." or
>   "x1 and x2 are related by relation x3 of scale T.", etc.
>
> I ask if there are any general guidelines we could follow in coining
> this kind of brivla,
> particularly when the only practical description of the scale is a
> list of examples.
>

  I guess I'm kind of missing something here.  How is the first
substantially different from "x1 ckaji x2 ci'u S" or "zi'o merli x2 be kai
x1 zo'e S, etc?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at=
 5:09 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
felipeg.assis@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi<br>
<br>
In what follows, scales are certain colections of properties (in the<br>
sense of CLL 15.5).<br>
Examples of scales are<br>
<br>
=A01. colour properties, e.g. {lo ka blanu}<br>
=A02. direction relations, e.g. {lo ka gapru}<br>
=A03. animal/plant types, e.g. {lo ka mlatu}<br>
=A04. family relations, e.g. {lo ka mamta}<br>
=A05. compass directions, e.g. {lo ka berti}<br>
=A06. genders, e.g. {lo ka fetsi}<br>
<br>
The scale of colours is part of the definition of {skari}, which<br>
requires a colour as its x2.<br>
Similarly, {farna} defines the scale of directions (according to one<br>
interpretation).<br>
<br>
brivla for talking about a recognized scale is a relevant vocabulary<br>
demand. Using<br>
existent vocabulary, we can easily and precisely ask what colour an<br>
object is, or about<br>
the direction from one point to another. However, in order to talk<br>
about family relations,<br>
compass directions, or non-binary genders, we need some circumlocutions.<br=
>
<br>
Talk about these abstract scales is greatly simplified when we have a<br>
brivla with a<br>
definition like<br>
=A0 &quot;x1 has property x2 of scale S.&quot; or<br>
=A0 &quot;x1 and x2 are related by relation x3 of scale T.&quot;, etc.<br>
<br>
I ask if there are any general guidelines we could follow in coining<br>
this kind of brivla,<br>
particularly when the only practical description of the scale is a<br>
list of examples.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 I guess I&#39;m k=
ind of missing something here. =A0How is the first substantially different =
from &quot;x1 ckaji x2 ci&#39;u S&quot; or &quot;zi&#39;o merli x2 be kai x=
1 zo&#39;e S, etc?</div>
<div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><br></div><div>=
=A0</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></di=
v></div>

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