Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:63881) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T63vn-0005lV-E8; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:21:07 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf4966192ggc.16 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ej0cOTAqykHsw0IPVnoSOPJL2psFE6vSVLdhliJq9eU=; b=JhAaCTBJnNqdgR1+UgjHsXdmJERAJJN1bKxg0XJNHGiEXJq6ECB3TUVgP4rAk+MDGN UA/t7lTzNUh5vj2ZQ4XRGZaLNbBGLdxoJxIRDlLb/q9clUPqrBVcFJtb1Vptg91BMHXD aQ/M7zw55lfScMRProDT29jIJi/RziOqaAeB3257mX5hPYi+7KH2Ss72PYJ37mboEEZw IeDylwQpuMZr17o9OuQU5L7/qbVIFmt3btjnUFwTvYkUuUDymDIy1mDbGT6a8n8qPNLW 58QWIkYtDHwbdGAC46gyIJfEZg+DkgHforP8kOXnc3WQmMRY1kTZ0hq93Jc7t9DuFxXV PG7A== Received: by 10.229.105.161 with SMTP id t33mr531178qco.17.1346091652366; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.36.237 with SMTP id t13ls3357709vdj.3.gmail; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.145.65 with SMTP id ss1mr4890129veb.39.1346091651634; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.145.65 with SMTP id ss1mr4890128veb.39.1346091651624; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cf2si3617764vdb.0.2012.08.27.11.20.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id v13so5784267vbk.14 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.221.11.197 with SMTP id pf5mr12152240vcb.29.1346091651258; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.190.169 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <7e604d79-8ecd-4690-bc39-bf48b601d46f@googlegroups.com> <5036D423.5050101@gmail.com> <5038CEC3.4050708@gmail.com> <5039204B.1060401@gmail.com> <325f818f-76ce-4f3c-b0c0-03dc4db2e9d8@googlegroups.com> <503B8ED4.200@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:20:51 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 27 August 2012 17:00, la gleki wrote: > Now translate "Give me three (specific) apples" - it will again be > translated as "e'o do fi mi dunda fe ci da poi plise". ({e'o} concerns a request more than a command.) The difference between a) three apples and b) three specific apples is that (b) explicitly speaks of entities to which some restrictive piece of information other than "be-apple" can be attributed. I think {poi co'e} would do the job: ko dunda ci plise poi co'e Give (me) three apples which are/do something. It doesn't specify which apples, but it is meant to refer to specific apples. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.