Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:60259) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6QBn-00031S-UT; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:07:07 -0700 Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4sf2014731bkw.16 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HMkZAYWxZGwKMV+gXhl1nxO4IpaalHv0z7LHAp0GlK0=; b=lJFZsa2XlqOLaqZZsBYvjl5qebg9bYgtVPH0BDE/FLStKvPYo1AxblNVU14xvuzVTF 9HM/5L2BI+VZn/MNXzWq+VuFb3D2g+ZydrEjaxOYLQqS9vsFsT/f9pA3riLGlEqYGT4o Cvkjl/13y1e8mJaM1xytK+4tkRPenjsoVdOvovMVNPRlLh3iYMWsWoFD54rONfdro4wE s8tqAtvWDR5N7w6B6ozFR9mgjKV/dn36gPbJUV/kVTm5L2HToDfre5q0U75s8rzch3m/ CTJNy3rc3sfZII7xy8xCMlZkiU6aY48eMEedpyRGqljzfBxBUe/oLFcMFDyUe4t5jUnC 5Nfw== Received: by 10.204.128.210 with SMTP id l18mr1025822bks.20.1346177212171; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.203 with SMTP id e11ls773359bke.8.gmail; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr1967831bkc.5.1346177211235; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.130.14 with SMTP id hk14mr1967830bkc.5.1346177211219; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id j4si5441799bkj.3.2012.08.28.11.06.51; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Aug 2012 18:06:50 -0000 Received: from p57A08C7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.140.126] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 20:06:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lYxdIYetld0TfPnEcEEBQ3xRvxQD3HuoL2BvJ3z CpO3yDNp/gntFE Message-ID: <503D08B9.3010105@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:06:49 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <502B9E61.8060808@gmx.de> <502BA634.3030007@gmx.de> <502C50EB.3090704@gmail.com> <7e604d79-8ecd-4690-bc39-bf48b601d46f@googlegroups.com> <5036D423.5050101@gmail.com> <5038CEC3.4050708@gmail.com> <5039204B.1060401@gmail.com> <325f818f-76ce-4f3c-b0c0-03dc4db2e9d8@googlegroups.com> <503B8ED4.200@gmail.com> <9019D4E1-8993-4AF4-BD70-AC76E5A9620F@yahoo.com> <1346161778.18681.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Am 28.08.2012 18:39, schrieb la gleki: > OK. Please everyone translate the following sentences. > 1. "I'm gonna eat three apples from that basket" [some specific > apples, namely the red one. the yellow one and the green one but I'm > too lazy to mention it] mi ba citka lo ci plise pe lo lanka > 2. "I'm gonna eat any three apples from that basket" mi ba citka ci plise pe lo lanka > 3. "Give me any three apples from the basket" ko dunda ci plise pe lo lanka mi > 4. "Give me three apples from the basket" [not known whether I need > some specific apples or not] You have to either use da or zo'e, so I don't think this is possible with a quantifier. Without quantifier, you can say ko dunda lo plise pe lo lanka mi and be vague about it. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo ^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror ^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.