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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Michael Everson
<michael.everson@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 26 Aug 2012, at 18:53, And Rosta wrote:
>
> > I'd never heard of Jonathan's supposed rule either. If the guillemets
> are going to cooccur with lu/li'u, then my taste as to where to put them
> would be the same as Michael's, for precisely the reason he gives.
>
> Well, that's two of us who share that taste. :-)
>

It's not "my" rule, and I was wrong about it's existence anyway.


>  > My personal preference, tho, would be not to couple guillemets with
> lu/li'u but to use one or the other: if guillements are used, then treat
> them as logographs rather than punctuation. I realize that's contrary to
> the Western typographical tradition, but it seems more fitting to the
> spirit of Lojban, which aimed to have speakable punctuation.
>

My personal preference would be to *not have foreign symbols at all*. I
have seen Lojban written without punctuation, and I have seen Lojban
written *with* punctuation, and between the two, *with* is ugly as sin. I
find such punctuation distracting and repugnant.


> No, I wouldn't do that. Chinese has a question particle and also uses the
> question mark redundantly. "?" is not like "2". "2" is a logograph for "=
=C3=A8r"
> or "two"; they are more or less interchangeable. But I don't believe that
> "?" is a logograph for "ma" any more than it is a logograph for Esperanto
> "=C4=89u".
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Michael Everson=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.everson@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">michael.everson@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 26 Aug 2012, at 18:53, And Rosta wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#39;d never heard of Jonathan&#39;s supposed rule either. If the gui=
llemets are going to cooccur with lu/li&#39;u, then my taste as to where to=
 put them would be the same as Michael&#39;s, for precisely the reason he g=
ives.<br>

<br>
</div>Well, that&#39;s two of us who share that taste. :-)<br></blockquote>=
<div><br>It&#39;s not &quot;my&quot; rule, and I was wrong about it&#39;s e=
xistence anyway.<br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">
&gt; My personal preference, tho, would be not to couple guillemets with lu=
/li&#39;u but to use one or the other: if guillements are used, then treat =
them as logographs rather than punctuation. I realize that&#39;s contrary t=
o the Western typographical tradition, but it seems more fitting to the spi=
rit of Lojban, which aimed to have speakable punctuation.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br>My personal preference would be to <i>not have =
foreign symbols at all</i>. I have seen Lojban written without punctuation,=
 and I have seen Lojban written <i>with</i> punctuation, and between the tw=
o, <i>with</i> is ugly as sin. I find such punctuation distracting and repu=
gnant.<br>
=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">

</div>No, I wouldn&#39;t do that. Chinese has a question particle and also =
uses the question mark redundantly. &quot;?&quot; is not like &quot;2&quot;=
. &quot;2&quot; is a logograph for &quot;=C3=A8r&quot; or &quot;two&quot;; =
they are more or less interchangeable. But I don&#39;t believe that &quot;?=
&quot; is a logograph for &quot;ma&quot; any more than it is a logograph fo=
r Esperanto &quot;=C4=89u&quot;.<br>

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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
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