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So now the only distinction between {le} and {lo} is veridicality?




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 From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}
 
Am 28.08.2012 22:19, schrieb v4hn:
> Why should people stop to use {le} if it literally means "the thing you have in mind".. mu'o 

Because it doesn't mean that any more than "lo" does. Both are defined in terms of "zo'e", so "lo" is just as specific as "le", and "le" can be just as vague as "lo". There isn't anything that "le" does that "lo" cannot do.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

-- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror
^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw

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mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">So now the <span styl=
e=3D"font-style: italic;">only</span> distinction between {le} and {lo} is =
veridicality?<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D=
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">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> selpa'i &lt;selad=
wa@gmx.de&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojb=
an@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span>=
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Am 28.08.2012 22:19, schrieb v4hn:<br>&gt; Why should people stop to use {l=
e} if it literally means "the thing you have in mind".. mu'o <br><br>Becaus=
e it doesn't mean that any more than "lo" does. Both are defined in terms o=
f "zo'e", so "lo" is just as specific as "le", and "le" can be just as vagu=
e as "lo". There isn't anything that "le" does that "lo" cannot do.<br><br>=
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