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[213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id fa8si874764wid.1.2012.08.28.14.59.14; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Aug 2012 21:59:14 -0000 Received: from p57A08C7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.140.126] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 28 Aug 2012 23:59:14 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18kjBpgOY4kOCQ2qf9JH4yyL4cyUIRLqOrikP3xYU yPl4nQOvXfZlKb Message-ID: <503D3F2C.40001@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:59:08 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <5038CEC3.4050708@gmail.com> <5039204B.1060401@gmail.com> <325f818f-76ce-4f3c-b0c0-03dc4db2e9d8@googlegroups.com> <503B8ED4.200@gmail.com> <9019D4E1-8993-4AF4-BD70-AC76E5A9620F@yahoo.com> <1346161778.18681.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120828201927.GI25027@samsa> <503D28D0.5070206@gmx.de> <1346190689.50010.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1346190689.50010.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060006000404000507040209" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060006000404000507040209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 28.08.2012 23:51, schrieb John E Clifford: > So now the only distinction between {le} and {lo} is veridicality? I can't speak for anybody else, but to me this distinction is irrelevant. "lo" is usually veridical, which means you call things "lo broda" that you think brodas. However, you can just as easily use lo broda for something that you aren't sure brodas, .i.e "lo ru'a broda" - "something that I assume brodas". Because of this, veridicality is not something that we need "le" for either. I personally have no use for "le" (which is why I think it would be better to reassign it a new (unrelated) function, but this would digress too far from the topic of this thread.) mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo ^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror ^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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Am 28.08.2012 23:51, schrieb John E Clifford:
So now the only distinction between {le} and {lo} is veridicality?

I can't speak for anybody else, but to me this distinction is irrelevant. "lo" is usually veridical, which means you call things "lo broda" that you think brodas. However, you can just as easily use lo broda for something that you aren't sure brodas, .i.e "lo ru'a broda" - "something that I assume brodas". Because of this, veridicality is not something that we need "le" for either. I personally have no use for "le" (which is why I think it would be better to reassign it a new (unrelated) function, but this would digress too far from the topic of this thread.)

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror
^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw

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