Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:57900) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6Wvf-0006vo-46; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:55 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf10768vbz.16 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=dYSUIUpIEuPDYmqKfAWH+5VMN5gsz6erolUNZR67CFQ=; b=ygCmo88XlpgAqh1ZKz64Yj68ou2oPxQOVbdRQb01OPLsE2l6Hzk/5S1b5h+oOZOdPP xPKyWs7gTMz5hTV3BnLFGkAFR1mrLrJwOVhKGxXOTRJz7GXZ5R79RqoMrESbpDH8jCfd e9858tYzPa1j8JDzy6ZlCT3Pvuext/54cHpfMzu9O6Mpos0mDgMgJ/Qbfo0SzF/ODHXN hfp8Q3Mj1lZI+LQDwIpQjsVdSIy1Okv+EnHJ8RNreWnJJM91rHVjEUFDALE/XINEfJZ6 dOErOLjVJVgbB9mAn+JIW6ZC9NlBgHMdHdgkgvpF2XcIXfHTtbmP9sMaPMP3JiXft/cw OjrA== Received: by 10.68.190.65 with SMTP id go1mr60528pbc.6.1346203119869; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.116.38 with SMTP id jt6ls3897936pbb.8.gmail; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.190.65 with SMTP id go1mr60524pbc.6.1346203119136; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "la .lindar." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <25aee7e0-4540-4a47-878a-3325b440d01a@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Regarding jbodau in the community... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindarthebard@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindarthebard@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_208_7044670.1346203118463" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_208_7044670.1346203118463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 https://plus.google.com/109188425297561255366/posts/K4GyU99RhTG I'm making an emotional appeal before my logical brain has the chance to shut me up. This is honestly and earnestly how I feel. I don't have the ability to block people or delete comments on the mailing list, but I will not even think twice about ignoring everything you post ever again and completely writing you off as a person if you post some kind of inflammatory response. It has now reached the point where I almost dread trying to catch up on the mailing list each day. I'm now ignoring entire threads because they degenerate into "well, if you accept *this* proposal..." and "If you use X's interpretation..." and post after post of unhelpful argument that seriously causes me stress just to see existing. I will try to say this as few times and as clearly as possible. *If you are not working on the CLL, creating media in or translating media to Lojban, filling gaps in the vocabulary, teaching classes, or actually learning the language, you are working against our progress and working directly against the people that have put in countless hours to actually help us meet our goals. You are expending effort that is useless to us and I personally do not want you as part of our community. You create disharmony, you create distractions to everybody, and I need you to stop it. I need absolutely everybody in the community to one of those five things or take your business elsewhere for when it's not a detriment to our community.* If you have an issue/problem/proposal/suggestion, it can be addressed to the BPFK either by the website's BPFK proposals/issues section, or by the mailing list, and it will be archived to be examined only when we've finished the new CLL and the dictionary. It will not be regarded or considered until then. I'm trying to appeal to you as a person you know, a member of your community, and as somebody that has put actual serious time and effort numbering nearly or over a thousand hours into helping the BPFK and LLG. This is causing me serious stress and has, due to me cutting off lots of ties and contacts that were hurting and hindering me, now become one of the top five sources of health-hindering and life-hindering stress in my life. How terrible is it that one of your top five greatest joys in life is also one of your top five causes of pain? I'm at the point where I have absolutely no tolerance, so we can come together and put in one big effort to grow as a community, or you can keep doing what you're doing and not have me around any more. This is not a threat, it's just an IF/THEN. (This rage-post does not necessarily reflect the opinions/views of the LLG, its members, or any subcommittee thereof. This is entirely personal in nature and should be read at face-value. 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I'm making an emotional appeal before my logical brain has the = chance to shut me up.

This is honestly and earnest= ly how I feel. I don't have the ability to block people or delete comments = on the mailing list, but I will not even think twice about ignoring everyth= ing you post ever again and completely writing you off as a person if you p= ost some kind of inflammatory response. It has now reached the point where = I almost dread trying to catch up on the mailing list each day. I'm now ign= oring entire threads because they degenerate into "well, if you accept *thi= s* proposal..." and "If you use X's interpretation..." and post after post = of unhelpful argument that seriously causes me stress just to see existing.=  I will try to say this as few times and as clearly as p= ossible.

If you are not working on = the CLL, creating media in or translating media to Lojban, filling gaps in = the vocabulary, teaching classes, or actually learning the language, you ar= e working against our progress and working directly against the people that= have put in countless hours to actually help us meet our goals. You are ex= pending effort that is useless to us and I personally do not want you as pa= rt of our community. You create disharmony, you create distractions to ever= ybody, and I need you to stop it. I need absolutely everybody in the commun= ity to one of those five things or take your business elsewhere for when it= 's not a detriment to our community.


I'm trying to appeal to you as a person you= know, a member of your community, and as somebody that has put actual seri= ous time and effort numbering nearly or over a thousand hours into helping = the BPFK and LLG. This is causing me serious stress and has, due to me cutt= ing off lots of ties and contacts that were hurting and hindering me, now b= ecome one of the top five sources of health-hindering and life-hindering st= ress in my life. How terrible is it that one of your top five greatest joys= in life is also one of your top five causes of pain? I'm at the point wher= e I have absolutely no tolerance, so we can come together and put in one bi= g effort to grow as  a community, or you can keep doing what you're do= ing and not have me around any more. This is not a threat, it's just an IF/= THEN.

(This rage-post does not necessarily ref= lect the opinions/views of the LLG, its members, or any subcommittee thereo= f. This is entirely personal in nature and should be read at face-value. Co= nstructive comments and criticisms are welcome; inflammatory/defensive/angr= y responses and their posters will be written off and ignored.)
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