Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:52874) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6afi-0008Oo-QJ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:42 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf130385yho.16 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Zh46NlpJUUpd8hbjHBM2ZFiTe1S0KTa57nggkPUMJJA=; b=L0ICFAW/8+fYFRS0qUp177b1HoqM4jaoferh5nTspA1ZIKMWYkh+SJDOEq9cL/rvFk Z7g/aab8lJ1mo2LA7SJKjsEGHNp60/05l5oguIsCWSA37sq7xlE7OLZdVyztszoRvCoe 5D1TtfsOrWUVkE3sbSof+qIy92nLvA2RXPlc3O59/7hPdA5JvUD3IOAVwd8vMvYne27A EOioOxevxRoVKk/st2ycCr0BY+j0OyQjpCuDTE4r5azeOxJujB1XJwoMNJ71Vn+5w3Et XmqMU1Y0k3ODLUwIXjwNm9ozj5xcwNWMJ05P85Xl5oinRiubAIFhY3DCSp2/UdPjNEGw TX/g== Received: by 10.236.184.70 with SMTP id r46mr12780yhm.12.1346217508142; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.126.33 with SMTP id a21ls1550311yhi.3.gmail; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.176.103 with SMTP id a67mr12387yhm.2.1346217507651; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <8d3fb774-f4ff-4b86-afa2-df153de2f633@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7_27644418.1346217507115" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_7_27644418.1346217507115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe that hope and desire are 1.human emotions 2.can't be derived from anything else. They are semantic primes. On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:30:44 AM UTC+4, .djo,is. wrote: > > It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it will > be true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, but > why do we need two attitudinals? > > If there is a difference, is there an example where you might say ".a'o > .aunai broda" (or something similar)? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/l1VSu8CkmhcJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_7_27644418.1346217507115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe that hope and desire are 

1.human em= otions 
2.can't be derived from anything else. They are semantic primes.


On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:30:4= 4 AM UTC+4, .djo,is. wrote:
It = isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it will be tr= ue? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, but why do = we need two attitudinals?

If there is a difference, is there an exam= ple where you might say ".a'o .aunai broda" (or something similar)?

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