=A0 No, the PROPER spelling of a word is irrelevant to who= spells it. =A0But it is only PARTIALLY related to the language in which it= is spelled. =A0For example there are many words that have more than one le= gitimate spelling -- theatre/theater, labor/labour, for example. =A0(Did yo= u know there are actually 8 spellings of the word "ganef" in the = Scrabble dictionary that are all acceptable?) The standard by which a word = is spelled is therefore a potentially needful part (but can be defaulted as= I did in my first answer, though). =A0As for the actual speller of a word,= in a given instance of spelling =A0("HOW did you spell that word on t= he test?") is definitely important to know. =A0(i.e. the proper spelli= ng is an intrinsic property of the word, but an instantiation of =A0spellin= g is agential. ) =A0But that's just the way I think about it, and since= I spell words all the time, for money ( http://cros= s-tables.com/results.php?playerid=3D2141=A0)=A0 and need to spell them = correctly for other pursuits=A0 http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?ShowcaseAction=3DAutho= r&ShowcaseAuthor=3D1128=A0, I like to think my feelings on spelling= have some weight.=A0YMMV=A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Tue,= Aug 28, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

The spelling of a word is irrelevant to who it is that spells it. Lojbanica= lly speaking, that is only a half truth. Words are intrinsically related to= a language by virtue of valsi3, and languages are intrinsically related to= their speakers by virtue of bangu2. Therefore, words are somewhat related = to the speakers of the language to which the word belongs. That, however, i= s irrelevant because someone can spell a word without knowing that the word= exists.

Regardless of that short philosophical part, we can form reg= ular lujvo of the type "x1 says [seltau] to xN-1 via medium xN" b= y suffixing -sku to pretty much whatever (please don't raise {djisku} a= s a counter-argument; {djisku} is among the most horrible lujvo ever, jvajv= o-speaking).

lo ka lerpoisku cu ka cusku ce'u noi lerpoi
replace {lerpoi} with my previous definition of lerpoi.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 28 August 2012 14:06, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0 Absolutely. =A0But you can use either method of lujvo = formation to get both meanings. =A0It's just whether you want to add a = gau part to a non-agential word to make it agential, or use zi'o (or ju= st leave it blank, zo'e'ing it) to make an agential work into a non= -agential one. =A0Personal preference *shrug* =A0If (for example) "ler= ganzu" means something like "g1 spells word l3 as g3=3Dl1 in lang= uage/by rules g4=3Dl2" you can ask "ma te lerganzu zo barda"= and receive back an answer of "me'o by ce'o abu ce'o ry c= e'o dy ce'o abu" or "me'o by ce'o ibu ce'o gy= go'i fi mi lo ka tolmencre se ra'a mi"
=A0 =A0 --gejsypa

On= Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:55 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail= .com> wrote:

The (correct) spelling of a word is irrespec= tive of the person doing the spelling (action). There are two concepts: &qu= ot;food" is spelled "f-o-o-d" regardless of who's talkin= g, and I can spell "food" "f-o-o-d".

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM, = Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 20, 20= 12 at 6:23 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wr= ote:

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
> jbovlaste's definition for lerpoi doesn't seem to have a place= for the
> word formed by the sequence of letters. I have to repeat iesk's qu= estion.

Maybe "lerpoipo'i": ko'a porpi ko'e noi porsi l= o lerfu

zo broda lerpoipo'i by ce'o ry ce'o .obu ce'o dy ce'o .= abu

The pronoun "by" is not the name of the letter B, but it can well= be
used to refer to the letter B since whatever its name is in Lojban, if
it has one, it probably begins with B.

Another maybe more practical option is:

zo broda lerpoipo'i by ry .obu dy .abu

where the pronoun "by ry .obu dy .abu" is used to refer to the le= tter
sequence B, R, O, D, A. It's unlikely that this pronoun will ever be used to refer to anything else.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

=A0 Person= ally, my philosophy on a lujvo for spelling would be more based on "ga= nzu", rather than "porsi", for the simple reason that spelli= ng is usually agential in nature...

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -gejyspa

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