Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:62532) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6g5K-00033Q-RD; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:30 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf204066wib.16 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8J7Qn3d7ES/ig9cGKTyul78svxNlPND+gfAvRaTvRbs=; b=TJnJ7d2OYKQXBQFlOCMWkGoscPr9tOgYvxxCPsdlKTGKz4RSgv+kP08Nxio8QQ40nT vTdlJJisZBmw14J2ZSwfcVaI2gzpkLuA71sS7Q74rhLHchfnhkLkMXhFhmWKyTbDSvLa g12hXLSl32oxcyP3lnyuQESJgyN7sfHwfMJXel3CHhyxN+uotKHi1CeNLJTkIeWZvsNy VHH5mvhAThkbfJNVjNpTUan3ewU+Le9pnQBgRZLzyCBSh1x3CKLTaGrYFb53RrqWuTTO bOrwNcDjg1t6OyTx2CIp+IS+gl1vkJfWLZhr+nv7VJcgYtwqPasCVKkLIAuIsakwUNrS oKng== Received: by 10.216.207.234 with SMTP id n84mr26102weo.10.1346238310919; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.223.136 with SMTP id v8ls114918eep.7.gmail; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.173.68 with SMTP id u44mr1139849eel.3.1346238310301; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.173.68 with SMTP id u44mr1139847eel.3.1346238310285; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f46.google.com (mail-ee0-f46.google.com [74.125.83.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3si32982533eep.1.2012.08.29.04.05.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.46; Received: by eekc1 with SMTP id c1so165512eek.5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.212.72 with SMTP id x48mr1397240eeo.40.1346238310173; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.95.78 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:05:10 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM, .djo,is. wrote: > It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it will be > true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, but why do > we need two attitudinals? > > If there is a difference, is there an example where you might say ".a'o > .aunai broda" (or something similar)? You can only hope for something that you don't know for sure to be true or false. For example, if you didn't go to the market you can wish you had gone, but you can't hope you had gone. If I didn't go, you can hope I did if you don't know whether I did or not. If you do know that I did, you may be happy I did, or you may wish I hadn't, but hope is out of the question. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.