Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:48275) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6hNQ-0003qf-Sm; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:21 -0700 Received: by dano9 with SMTP id o9sf487516dan.1 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=K+fruNIXVkGX6omE+/d27ITJFFyH/sdOkKzlrI6GsZ8=; b=tKKB8l9YNmJN5UI0d96FY783W4jKncc0Ke98moBxQfOdml5QAG7mP2aUMP+zmsIw5S hh2Cb/sU6KwTQXTINBxsp2+cBRVLfYhdiHUGjhDQphzMBhqafTBjBOtnlzPRVHfcvez6 dDyi1FeHezGS7Z0/ZNJpp9OyxOa3jwj0dI/nF68SlhjZBllxzeIlhDK6XhTWUIA1YSh4 ASniI9UH8PBjQofcDbtCymKAVASI/aGAdm1MwWXtbgQ4VH5L5pGaimtbqDZxtbovO7i3 juVFjD1f1EaO3fyfMNI1+yqt3f2dCpogJze9iEKZwsUStyqUTjrDv9d0IblPnm0lAUxI Wheg== Received: by 10.52.28.83 with SMTP id z19mr85041vdg.20.1346243281992; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.21.207 with SMTP id x15ls1226791vde.1.gmail; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.197 with SMTP id w5mr354470vdv.4.1346243280935; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.74.197 with SMTP id w5mr354469vdv.4.1346243280927; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com (mail-vb0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cc5si4932vdc.2.2012.08.29.05.28.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fn1so467202vbb.38 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.135.35 with SMTP id pp3mr1029556veb.52.1346243280782; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.58.132.236 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 05:28:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d3fb774-f4ff-4b86-afa2-df153de2f633@googlegroups.com> References: <8d3fb774-f4ff-4b86-afa2-df153de2f633@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:28:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)? From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 29 August 2012 06:18, la gleki wrote: > I believe that hope and desire are > > 1.human emotions Desire has obvious primitive evolutionary merits such as "moving the body towards food or sexual counterparts" that can easily be found in non-human life forms. It can be triggered by a simple structural state of the body such as an empty stomach, which is quite different from how love, pride, etc. would arise. > 2.can't be derived from anything else. They are semantic primes. Theorists disagree among themselves as to which emotions are to be considered basic: http://changingminds.org/explanations/emotions/basic%20emotions.htm I'd say hope is more complex than desire. Desire doesn't necessarily have a temporal implication as hope does. Future vindication would be significant for hoping something but not for desiring something. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.