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On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:05:11 AM UTC-7, xorxes wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM, .djo,is. <joe...@mac.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it will 
> be 
> > true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, but 
> why do 
> > we need two attitudinals? 
> > 
> > If there is a difference, is there an example where you might say ".a'o 
> > .aunai broda" (or something similar)? 
>
> You can only hope for something that you don't know for sure to be 
> true or false. For example, if you didn't go to the market you can 
> wish you had gone, but you can't hope you had gone. If I didn't go, 
> you can hope I did if you don't know whether I did or not. If you do 
> know that I did, you may be happy I did, or you may wish I hadn't, but 
> hope is out of the question. 
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
 
 That makes sense. Still, the attitudinals seem poorly organized.

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<br><br>On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:05:11 AM UTC-7, xorxes wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM, .dj=
o,is. &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=
=3D"M33HWOBQFv4J">joe...@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope i=
t will be
<br>&gt; true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, =
but why do
<br>&gt; we need two attitudinals?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; If there is a difference, is there an example where you might say =
".a'o
<br>&gt; .aunai broda" (or something similar)?
<br>
<br>You can only hope for something that you don't know for sure to be
<br>true or false. For example, if you didn't go to the market you can
<br>wish you had gone, but you can't hope you had gone. If I didn't go,
<br>you can hope I did if you don't know whether I did or not. If you do
<br>know that I did, you may be happy I did, or you may wish I hadn't, but
<br>hope is out of the question.
<br>
<br>mu'o mi'e xorxes<br></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;That makes=
 sense. Still, the attitudinals seem poorly organized.<br></div>

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