Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:57664) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6r4N-0001WW-AV; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:49:11 -0700 Received: by yhoo21 with SMTP id o21sf1003131yho.16 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VIW5vyXt3fXW9+lE5/CFgCekxoannYfG15zaseFJq60=; b=hqoP+1bwjvnAUR5GgGX8aeDPu1xkmB9prw63HeOauGmT5RCWDT9R6nsnCD5aNkxUMg LREpfIe0uN6fEPqz69lP2/sHkUB0bzfz5HcCgMu4Lk4CDHz3ID3PY6Kb4KZAGIJH7YPF 5/zaN+O7F5gFVLY9MHrKgL62u2ehdoYiyPFrIH8ozTEOB1JBSvZoLbNQRHpKiJF/k6ZZ bq2zRohRjG5yWBV9tUeWvW+rA+Npe9qgzsv12/C2h4RdsO/xzc3c7qezGdW7Sta+k1mY oNC9LwAAo7CMJus/N9Tg0KbNDdt9V+OYGxmW1To04wvP+hpZHSfmBhXBg610d4VcsCJk 3jyA== Received: by 10.50.46.131 with SMTP id v3mr1465654igm.1.1346280540512; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.104.169 with SMTP id gf9ls3930722igb.0.gmail; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.159.137 with SMTP id xc9mr1749193igb.3.1346280539935; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.159.137 with SMTP id xc9mr1749192igb.3.1346280539920; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f178.google.com (mail-iy0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba5si2895397igb.3.2012.08.29.15.48.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.178; Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11so2496218iae.37 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.195.234 with SMTP id ih10mr3488406igc.21.1346280539596; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.25.8 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8d3fb774-f4ff-4b86-afa2-df153de2f633@googlegroups.com> References: <8d3fb774-f4ff-4b86-afa2-df153de2f633@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934125b54a79304c86f5d52 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae934125b54a79304c86f5d52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM, la gleki wrote: > I believe that hope and desire are > > 1.human emotions > 2.can't be derived from anything else. They are semantic primes. > WANT ('desire') is probably a semantic prime/primitive. "Hope" can be explicated in terms of WANT and HAPPEN and GOOD THING. Wierzbicka provides explications of various emotion words in her books on NSM. stevo > > > On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:30:44 AM UTC+4, .djo,is. wrote: >> >> It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it will >> be true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, but >> why do we need two attitudinals? >> >> If there is a difference, is there an example where you might say ".a'o >> .aunai broda" (or something similar)? >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/l1VSu8CkmhcJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --14dae934125b54a79304c86f5d52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM, la glek= i <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that hope and desire=A0are=A0

1.human emotions= =A0
2.can't be derived from anything else. They are semantic primes.

WANT ('desir= e') is probably a semantic prime/primitive. "Hope" can be exp= licated in terms of WANT=A0and HAPPEN and GOOD THING. Wierzbicka provides e= xplications of various emotion words in her books on NSM.=A0

stevo


On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:30:44 AM UTC+4, .djo,is. = wrote:
It isn't apparent to me. If you desire something, don't you hope it= will be true? The difference makes more sense in between pacna and djica, = but why do we need two attitudinals?

If there is a difference, is th= ere an example where you might say ".a'o .aunai broda" (or so= mething similar)?

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