Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:35840) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T6w9X-00038D-Tx; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:55 -0700 Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32sf1224802qad.16 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SnEPoGSqawKlHIyWEaCx13z/Z2Df1C228pjKK/OMCaE=; b=M1puPq/HFPLf4rSFwZ6BGttxt5q0w/x5Nzw7qMnzZeWh7aKL9/uongj4sMZcJOAUgI TlBG4tQ4VSvGTFyMwq7fQGFWd6lSAsVrqi8gz5/z+A41J4U8tdvTfYA+7gjZ9+bHTMNZ 1DjEEG6OUBwbGrk4WDWhGVtImai+xPWFcfti5CmkZ3bseknno1e2yPfHsQeXSr9HULMk p45cwKy89XUKf+1HP35ujWnagUoib1Gapz0Y6b/ybVF3WGT8lqvJxPiiDGGx6e70ZJoY 5YkfIuQu68y38kniU3Nkt9cixPIo4ifiHa2iEF8qOJP48iOEkDAiQaZdgyoc/zxlD7yL eihA== Received: by 10.236.152.5 with SMTP id c5mr407628yhk.10.1346300080846; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.185.6 with SMTP id m6ls496085anp.3.gmail; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.226 with SMTP id u62mr2861664yhm.3.1346300080252; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.226 with SMTP id u62mr2861663yhm.3.1346300080241; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c61si161430yhm.3.2012.08.29.21.14.39; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D01821A04 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] ant, wasp, bee, sawfly Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 00:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1465002.hi4jRWXps8@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.4 (Linux/3.2.0-29-generic; KDE/4.8.4; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / We have gismu for "ant" and "bee/wasp". Both ants and bees are Aculeata, hymenopterans with stingers (not all Aculeata actually sting). Aculeata contains three superfamilies: Apoidea (bees and sphecoid wasps), Chrysidoidea (more wasps), and Vespoidea (more wasps and ants). I've thought of using "rulbi'e" to distinguish bees, but there are non-bee wasps which pollinate flowers, such as fig wasps. The other infraorder of Apocrita (Hymenoptera with a wasp waist) is Parasitica, some of which have very long ovipositors used to lay eggs in caterpillars in trees. They are also called wasps. The other suborder of Hymenoptera is Symphyta, which don't have a wasp waist. They are called sawflies; their larvae look like caterpillars, except that they don't have a gap between prolegs and legs. What should we call them in Lojban? Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.