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On Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:03:52 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:
>
> On 30 August 2012 17:32, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > Can't we clearly define UI in terms of {sei broda} after all? 
> > So you are saying that {.a'o}={sei kanpe je djica}, right? 
>
> {a'o} and {kanpe je djica} seem to generally mean the same kind of 
> emotion, yes. 
>
> Some notes: 
> {ui} is a direct expression of happiness, whereas {(zo'e) gleki} is a 
> descriptive statement that someone feels / felt / will feel happiness 
> -- same emotion, different functions. Also, with {ui}, the experiencer 
> is the speaker by default; with {sei gleki}, it can be non-speakers. 
> {sei gleki} can be used to translate adverbial stuff, such as 
> "happily", whose explicit or implicit subject (x1) can be other than 
> the speaker. So, the {sei broda} form cannot always substitute for or 
> define UI. 
>
 
Well, I guess {.ei=sei bilga} not {.ei=sei mi bilga} ?
I want all UI-cmavo translated to {sei ko'a broda} form.



>
> > Can you also derive {.ai} from {.au}? 
>
> Does {ai} always imply {au}? Probably not. One can intend but not want 
> to pay a tax. 
> Does {au} always imply {ai}? Probably not. One can want but not intend 
> to go to Mars. 
>
>
> mu'o 
>

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<br><br>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:03:52 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:<bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-l=
eft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On 30 August 2012 17:32, la gleki &=
lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"CthiW=
D8VpvcJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; Can't we clearly define UI in terms of {sei broda} after all?
<br>&gt; So you are saying that {.a'o}=3D{sei kanpe je djica}, right?
<br>
<br>{a'o} and {kanpe je djica} seem to generally mean the same kind of emot=
ion, yes.
<br>
<br>Some notes:
<br>{ui} is a direct expression of happiness, whereas {(zo'e) gleki} is a
<br>descriptive statement that someone feels / felt / will feel happiness
<br>-- same emotion, different functions. Also, with {ui}, the experiencer
<br>is the speaker by default; with {sei gleki}, it can be non-speakers.
<br>{sei gleki} can be used to translate adverbial stuff, such as
<br>"happily", whose explicit or implicit subject (x1) can be other than
<br>the speaker. So, the {sei broda} form cannot always substitute for or
<br>define UI.
<br></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Well, I guess {.ei=3Dsei bilga} not =
{.ei=3Dsei mi bilga} ?</div><div>I want all UI-cmavo translated to {sei ko'=
a broda} form.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>&gt; Can you also derive {.ai} from {.au}?
<br>
<br>Does {ai} always imply {au}? Probably not. One can intend but not want
<br>to pay a tax.
<br>Does {au} always imply {ai}? Probably not. One can want but not intend
<br>to go to Mars.
<br>
<br>
<br>mu'o
<br></blockquote>

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