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Although it isn't completely true, I like to think of the main-bridi being
a vague sumti of the sei-bridi, as if it were captured inside a ka or a
du'u.
Also, {sei} attaches to the whole bridi, not just the word before it, which
makes it very difficult to get at the subtle meanings like {.i co'a .ai
broda} or {do .e ui mi broda}.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 1 September 2012 09:37, triliyn <trillionalyssa@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've always thought of {sei} as introducing a comment about the text
> without regard for the meaning of the text. For example, you could say
> {broda sei mu da lerfu}, and {broda sei xlali} should be taken to mean "I
> think {broda} was a bad word choice".
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:26:28 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:03:52 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:
>>>
>>> On 30 August 2012 17:32, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Can't we clearly define UI in terms of {sei broda} after all?
>>> > So you are saying that {.a'o}={sei kanpe je djica}, right?
>>>
>>> {a'o} and {kanpe je djica} seem to generally mean the same kind of
>>> emotion, yes.
>>>
>>> Some notes:
>>> {ui} is a direct expression of happiness, whereas {(zo'e) gleki} is a
>>> descriptive statement that someone feels / felt / will feel happiness
>>> -- same emotion, different functions. Also, with {ui}, the experiencer
>>> is the speaker by default; with {sei gleki}, it can be non-speakers.
>>> {sei gleki} can be used to translate adverbial stuff, such as
>>> "happily", whose explicit or implicit subject (x1) can be other than
>>> the speaker. So, the {sei broda} form cannot always substitute for or
>>> define UI.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I guess {.ei=sei bilga} not {.ei=sei mi bilga} ?
>> I want all UI-cmavo translated to {sei ko'a broda} form.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > Can you also derive {.ai} from {.au}?
>>>
>>> Does {ai} always imply {au}? Probably not. One can intend but not want
>>> to pay a tax.
>>> Does {au} always imply {ai}? Probably not. One can want but not intend
>>> to go to Mars.
>>>
>>>
>>> mu'o
>>>
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Although it isn&#39;t completely true, I like to think of the main-bridi be=
ing a vague sumti of the sei-bridi, as if it were captured inside a ka or a=
 du&#39;u.<div>Also, {sei} attaches to the whole bridi, not just the word b=
efore it, which makes it very difficult to get at the subtle meanings like =
{.i co&#39;a .ai broda} or {do .e ui mi broda}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div><div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On 1 September 2012 09:37, triliyn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:trillionalyssa@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">trillionalyssa=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I&#39;ve always thought of {sei} as introduc=
ing a comment about the text without regard for the meaning of the text. Fo=
r example, you could say {broda sei mu da lerfu}, and {broda sei xlali} sho=
uld be taken to mean &quot;I think {broda} was a bad word choice&quot;.<div=
>

<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:26:28 AM UTC-4, =
la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-l=
eft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>On Saturday,=
 September 1, 2012 4:03:52 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">

On 30 August 2012 17:32, la gleki &lt;<a>gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:
<br>&gt; Can&#39;t we clearly define UI in terms of {sei broda} after all?
<br>&gt; So you are saying that {.a&#39;o}=3D{sei kanpe je djica}, right?
<br>
<br>{a&#39;o} and {kanpe je djica} seem to generally mean the same kind of =
emotion, yes.
<br>
<br>Some notes:
<br>{ui} is a direct expression of happiness, whereas {(zo&#39;e) gleki} is=
 a
<br>descriptive statement that someone feels / felt / will feel happiness
<br>-- same emotion, different functions. Also, with {ui}, the experiencer
<br>is the speaker by default; with {sei gleki}, it can be non-speakers.
<br>{sei gleki} can be used to translate adverbial stuff, such as
<br>&quot;happily&quot;, whose explicit or implicit subject (x1) can be oth=
er than
<br>the speaker. So, the {sei broda} form cannot always substitute for or
<br>define UI.
<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>Well, I guess {.ei=3Dsei bilga} not {.e=
i=3Dsei mi bilga} ?</div><div>I want all UI-cmavo translated to {sei ko&#39=
;a broda} form.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">


<br>
<br>&gt; Can you also derive {.ai} from {.au}?
<br>
<br>Does {ai} always imply {au}? Probably not. One can intend but not want
<br>to pay a tax.
<br>Does {au} always imply {ai}? Probably not. One can want but not intend
<br>to go to Mars.
<br>
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o
<br></blockquote></blockquote>

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