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Looks like this has already been done in the entry for *{kanpe}.=A0=A0 It i=
s not clear to me how this compound predicate is related to the attitudinal=
: it describes the attitude expressed?=A0 They obviously don't mean the sam=
e thing.




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nd desire (.au)?
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On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:26:48 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
.a'o isn't kanpe je djica, it'n pacna. Has everybody forgotten about pacna?

Of course not. It looks like we are trying to split "hope" into smaller ele=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Looks like this has a=
lready been done in the entry for *{kanpe}.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is not clear to =
me how this compound predicate is related to the attitudinal: it describes =
the attitude expressed?&nbsp; They obviously don't mean the same thing.<br>=
<div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: tim=
es new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font=
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ir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> la gleki &lt;gleki.is.my.name@gmai=
l.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@g=
ooglegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>=
 Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:40 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:
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tween hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)?<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1116449945"><br><br>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:26:48 PM=
 UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:<blockquote class=3D"yiv1116449945gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex;">.a'o isn't kanpe je djica, it'n pacna. Has everybody forgotten about p=
acna?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course not. It looks like we are t=
rying to split "hope" into smaller elements.</div>



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