Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 01:56:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Greezael Think <arrobasangrienta@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] First doubts
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I started learning lojban about a month ago, although I knew it existed 
from before. For the moment, I'm very happy with it, but I've found some 
doubts I would like to ask:

- lujvo and rafsi. I just don't understand where is the need for these 
composed words. If I understood correctly, they're just tanru in an 
abbreviated form. They are supposed to specify the meaning of the tanru, by 
creating an additional definiton. But they can use any combination of 
possible rafsi, so you could only add one additional definition? I don't 
understand in which way they could be useful, they only save you a pair of 
letters, and for the problem of the meanings it would be far easier adding 
a number before the tanru, for example, and having a theoretically 
unlimited list of specific meanings (if they are needed).  And they are 
really difficult to learn: even if they have defined rules, they have too 
much rules to think about them while speaking (in my humble opinion).

- Some cmavo don't seem too logical. When I learned ja je ji jo ju I 
thought that it was a great idea following the a/e/i/o/u pattern, it made 
everything much easier. But then I found se/te/ve/xe. I don't really 
understand why those words where chosen, instead of using the vowel pattern 
(leaving one vowel out, obviously). If it were used, it would be easier 
thinking which one is the pair of sumtis changed.

-Pronunciation. First, I'm a native Spanish speaker, so it's possible that 
I find it difficult just because its differences with Spanish. But I'm 
pretty sure differentiating "j" and "c" is difficult for everyone. I've 
tried hard, and between vowels I can use them, but for example I can't say 
"lojban" and make it sound different from an hypothetical "locban". At the 
beginning I also had problems with "y", but even if it can be difficult to 
pronounce, at least is easy to see how it's a different sound from the 
others.

So, that's pretty much it. Thank you everybody for working hard on this 
great language. And sorry for my english, I hope it at leas understandable 
^^U

.co'o rodo

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I started learning lojban about a month ago, although I knew it existed fro=
m before. For the moment, I'm very happy with it, but I've found some doubt=
s I would like to ask:<br><br>- lujvo and rafsi. I just don't understand wh=
ere is the need for these composed words. If I understood correctly, they'r=
e just tanru in an abbreviated form. They are supposed to specify the meani=
ng of the tanru, by creating an additional definiton. But they can use any =
combination of possible rafsi, so you could only add one additional definit=
ion? I don't understand in which way they could be useful, they only save y=
ou a pair of letters, and for the problem of the meanings it would be far e=
asier adding a number before the tanru, for example, and having a theoretic=
ally unlimited list of specific meanings (if they are needed).&nbsp; And th=
ey are really difficult to learn: even if they have defined rules, they hav=
e too much rules to think about them while speaking (in my humble opinion).=
<br><br>- Some cmavo don't seem too logical. When I learned ja je ji jo ju =
I thought that it was a great idea following the a/e/i/o/u pattern, it made=
 everything much easier. But then I found se/te/ve/xe. I don't really under=
stand why those words where chosen, instead of using the vowel pattern (lea=
ving one vowel out, obviously). If it were used, it would be easier thinkin=
g which one is the pair of sumtis changed.<br><br>-Pronunciation. First, I'=
m a native Spanish speaker, so it's possible that I find it difficult just =
because its differences with Spanish. But I'm pretty sure differentiating "=
j" and "c" is difficult for everyone. I've tried hard, and between vowels I=
 can use them, but for example I can't say "lojban" and make it sound diffe=
rent from an hypothetical "locban". At the beginning I also had problems wi=
th "y", but even if it can be difficult to pronounce, at least is easy to s=
ee how it's a different sound from the others.<br><br>So, that's pretty muc=
h it. Thank you everybody for working hard on this great language. And sorr=
y for my english, I hope it at leas understandable ^^U<br><br>.co'o rodo<br=
>

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