Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:64116)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCKCpu7HnAxDb6YiCBRoEmY63JA@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1T7qN8-0002vQ-MT; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:16:54 -0700
Received: by vcbfl13 with SMTP id fl13sf3570370vcb.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806;
        h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version
         :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id
         :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=Pz7F6W1Ks8h6GUHFBTfY/k0V997JwJv4wX091J+Ycmw=;
        b=ioO4WsYxokwTFg+HoEhcAUJqX3UPYvU9LRhz2OVlHfHobnrQ+qUgxJK3UCBjmJRKVd
         KmImc1zfuW+0HI4GfiDvqDxCyxtVTw5DmMpzaKSilCrELt26MILGdkgv4iE4VhFYsjST
         3sUIcdg575lZguAPl0KeRsvt0/w7Sa3NVWotgA9yukHMweEiF8n6bAw00L66lTZ6kRWW
         C+Mgqr96eUX9N3bSnkmK9WBLuvW1FWBXCoJfSaGUwbijq5b5BMrWUC6Gp9LcgvCFOvjG
         lExVS3Qc2CMqd/uu28UiX2Q6TwVbvubvH1tUbDCDTbiZMY0A+5dcs8fHfVzvbRl25zAM
         aEZA==
Received: by 10.229.136.4 with SMTP id p4mr602267qct.6.1346516187627;
        Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.229.105.85 with SMTP id s21ls5371804qco.1.gmail; Sat, 01 Sep
 2012 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.224.186.143 with SMTP id cs15mr7681352qab.3.1346516187049;
        Sat, 01 Sep 2012 09:16:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.224.172.134 with SMTP id l6msqaz;
        Sat, 1 Sep 2012 02:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.236.109.233 with SMTP id s69mr1033202yhg.11.1346491095233;
        Sat, 01 Sep 2012 02:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 02:18:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Greezael Verne <arrobasangrienta@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Message-Id: <1141302d-dfa4-4f37-bbbe-46c41d1a5819@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [lojban] First doubts
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Original-Sender: arrobasangrienta@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
	boundary="----=_Part_2382_7410117.1346491094866"
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

------=_Part_2382_7410117.1346491094866
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I just started learning lojban and I have the first doubts I would like to 
ask:

- Why do rafsi and lujvo exist? They only save a pair of letters when 
speaking, and for specifying the meanings adding a number before the tanru, 
for example, would be far easier. The rafsi had to be learned by heart, as 
there aren't rules on which possible root word correspond to which rafsi, 
and they create a lot of problems when joining the words (or so does it 
look).

- Why were the sounds of "j" and "c" chosen? I have a lot of problems with 
those two, and it doesn't look like I am the only one. It's not like "y", 
which is difficult for some people to pronounce (me as Spanish speaker, for 
example), but at least sounds different from the other letters. These two 
are difficult to distinguish and say, and there are plenty of other sounds 
not in use.

- Why is the a/e/i/o/u pattern not always used? When I learned 
ja/je/ji/jo/ju I thought it was incredibly useful using it, but then I 
found se/te/ve/xe and it looked so unnatural, not using the same pattern 
again (something like se/si/so/su, for example, leaving the "a" out).

Thank you very much for working hard on this great language. And sorry for 
my English, I hope it at least understandable ^^U

.co'o rodo

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/xQVBBmiPVSYJ.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


------=_Part_2382_7410117.1346491094866
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just started learning lojban and I have the first doubts I would like to =
ask:<br><br>- Why do rafsi and lujvo exist? They only save a pair of letter=
s when speaking, and for specifying the meanings adding a number before the=
 tanru, for example, would be far easier. The rafsi had to be learned by he=
art, as there aren't rules on which possible root word correspond to which =
rafsi, and they create a lot of problems when joining the words (or so does=
 it look).<br><br>- Why were the sounds of "j" and "c" chosen? I have a lot=
 of problems with those two, and it doesn't look like I am the only one. It=
's not like "y", which is difficult for some people to pronounce (me as Spa=
nish speaker, for example), but at least sounds different from the other le=
tters. These two are difficult to distinguish and say, and there are plenty=
 of other sounds not in use.<br><br>- Why is the a/e/i/o/u pattern not alwa=
ys used? When I learned ja/je/ji/jo/ju I thought it was incredibly useful u=
sing it, but then I found se/te/ve/xe and it looked so unnatural, not using=
 the same pattern again (something like se/si/so/su, for example, leaving t=
he "a" out).<br><br>Thank you very much for working hard on this great lang=
uage. And sorry for my English, I hope it at least understandable ^^U<br><b=
r>.co'o rodo<br><br>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msg/lojban/-/xQVBBmiPVSYJ">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/xQ=
VBBmiPVSYJ</a>.<br />=20
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



------=_Part_2382_7410117.1346491094866--