Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:53892) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T7tup-0004ms-8Z; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:03:43 -0700 Received: by iadx2 with SMTP id x2sf3741765iad.16 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rOyrsiCq/7F851uPtTmdAdOiWU7Fnw3LQ2o5Z70w4+E=; b=IRMPS3FeoF+yz/sz5bybZToa7lnu9xHsYHp+LpFx2MPAkmvRIOFESaTU77XaCKoXDw wo3ELZXPLUsld7JijcOQOfCm6RdOahoBZ52D4aOWhhOamlLZQKbb/eHEZ5FulMNYFU/+ jOwiY4S+D9fnt1CZl5hAv6y6P9YbV+WGISFkF1Tz+L9EWMRVrQyJ6YYnwpYwUhVKczpe sRGKqkk0dsKTQwVmJzrE5+myMUr1q8XoUXqHFOq45fsIkBXr+DzyfpsthEEj/Tds47r8 AH6qY8dWfStLYh4YopzrAzc6xwMRUpxCYvw709wAaoPAbRtGDOfVEsry4aZmvohZsuNc ojFg== Received: by 10.68.211.6 with SMTP id my6mr2490451pbc.15.1346529808764; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.141.133 with SMTP id ro5ls16316465pbb.1.gmail; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.237.163 with SMTP id vd3mr2462449pbc.9.1346529808261; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "la .lindar." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <378f233c-4bc2-4fb0-b6a7-704b8ad78150@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1141302d-dfa4-4f37-bbbe-46c41d1a5819@googlegroups.com> References: <1141302d-dfa4-4f37-bbbe-46c41d1a5819@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: First doubts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindarthebard@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindarthebard@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2407_10296016.1346529807415" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2407_10296016.1346529807415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4538848E5DBC1AA&feature=plcp Watch the lesson videos. Pronunciation is covered. The letters were picked because they exist in a majority of languages. Everybody is going to have trouble with some of the sounds, unfortunately. Most Americans struggle with or at least have to learn how to pronouce the X, but I imagine you have no problem with it as it exists in your native language already. It's just kind of a fact of the language. Swedish doesn't have the letter Z, for example. You'll just have to learn. Lujvo exist because they're made for creating more words. If your question is why we have them instead of just using the four-letter version, would you rather say {jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmadu} or {xagmau}/{xauzma}? se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AEIOU pattern. You'll find there are three common patterns in the language. 1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order. 2. STVX - Alphabetical order of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn't in Lojban. 3. IAU - You see this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and {tu}. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/K-ze2mr9JlIJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_2407_10296016.1346529807415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=3DPLD4538848E5DBC1AA&a= mp;feature=3Dplcp

Watch the lesson videos. Pronuncia= tion is covered. The letters were picked because they exist in a major= ity of languages. Everybody is going to have trouble with some of the = sounds, unfortunately. Most Americans struggle with or at least have t= o learn how to pronouce the X, but I imagine you have no problem with = it as it exists in your native language already. It's just kind of a f= act of the language. Swedish doesn't have the letter Z, for examp= le. You'll just have to learn.

Lujvo exist because= they're made for creating more words. If your question is why we have them= instead of just using the four-letter version, would you rather say {= jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmadu} or {xagmau}/{xauzma}?

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se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AEIOU pattern. You'll fin= d there are three common patterns in the language.

1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order.
2. STVX - Alphabetical order = of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn't in Lojban.
3. IAU - You s= ee this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and {tu}.

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