Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:33726) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T7u05-0004ou-U5; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:09:10 -0700 Received: by ieak10 with SMTP id k10sf867925iea.16 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:08:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=//gOxlnkKEZJqGd+M4KaWmgWZWDVyq6/Xjb+LElNCEM=; b=lEGpia5V8KOsWcFbQs0lfL6WROnJ3L0OmT5hHsNOeISDW0Uf3thsjM3B7JDNZ8fb8A jclAaTMnmE1WnV4mvyd93Hdv1U7X6OocIYA7MYrHgsvtSepObr+TITInmYRK8b7ej7dc w7sEcX8Kyhvo6pLsIAuVPTj87VhZM6f48pza00UY0pZnB95VKoIUHDU1xnMV1e44Vkxz C3pbFQB9PAsetZlNz4Cdl0Mledovd3IJ9uBLaOHgNhFILcyt00HlcDC3mE8yRf2DuYrv tw8x6YxOLI2xLpr/NhzB0kQUxmbpVUr9Gaqsb7l+bI50IsL6xjeytrxNyiDdEjzkek2Z IQbw== Received: by 10.68.196.136 with SMTP id im8mr2488543pbc.5.1346530134922; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.237.161 with SMTP id vd1ls16065759pbc.3.gmail; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.134.129 with SMTP id pk1mr2474509pbb.13.1346530134424; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "la .lindar." To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <958a3ae3-eb7d-4584-a208-ba2cf0b4a17e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: First doubts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lindarthebard@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lindarthebard@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2411_16485938.1346530133960" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2411_16485938.1346530133960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Somehow this got double-posted and I replied to the one nobody else did. Reposting as such: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4538848E5DBC1AA&feature=plcp Watch the lesson videos. Pronunciation is covered. The letters were picked because they exist in a majority of languages. Everybody is going to have trouble with some of the sounds, unfortunately. Most Americans struggle with or at least have to learn how to pronouce the X, but I imagine you have no problem with it as it exists in your native language already. It's just kind of a fact of the language. Swedish doesn't have the letter Z, for example. You'll just have to learn. Lujvo exist because they're made for creating more words. If your question is why we have them instead of just using the four-letter version, would you rather say {jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmadu} or {xagmau}/{xauzma}? se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AEIOU pattern. You'll find there are three common patterns in the language. 1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order. 2. STVX - Alphabetical order of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn't in Lojban. 3. IAU - You see this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and {tu}. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/jln6Nouj13kJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_2411_16485938.1346530133960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somehow this got double-posted and I replied to the one nobody else did. Re= posting as such:

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Watch the l= esson videos. Pronunciation is covered. The letters were picked becaus= e they exist in a majority of languages. Everybody is going to have tr= ouble with some of the sounds, unfortunately. Most Americans struggle = with or at least have to learn how to pronouce the X, but I imagine yo= u have no problem with it as it exists in your native language already= . It's just kind of a fact of the language. Swedish doesn't have the l= etter Z, for example. You'll just have to learn.

<= div>Lujvo exist because they're made for creating more words. If your quest= ion is why we have them instead of just using the four-letter version, woul= d you rather say {jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmadu} or {xagmau}/{x= auzma}?

se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AE= IOU pattern. You'll find there are three common patterns in the language.

1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order.
2. STV= X - Alphabetical order of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn't in Lojban.
3. IAU - You see this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and = {tu}.

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