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On Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:44:06 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
>
> Good move!  Semantic primitives play no significant role in Lojban and, if 
> the point of all this is to get to a primitive list of attitudes, then it 
> is a misguided project from a Lojbanic point of view.
>
 
Who will discuss semantics primes if not us? Any forum you are aware of? 
I'm afraid they are discussed nowhere.

loi sapyvalsi .uu poi me lai semantikprim


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> *From:* la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, September 1, 2012 11:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope 
> (.a'o) and desire (.au)?
>  
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:17:25 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wrote:
>
> good point.  If au and ai both have pretty much exact bridi equivalents, 
> and those bridi have pretty much exact english equivalents it doesn't seem 
> like we're necessarily talking about a lojban question any more.  More like 
> a psychology question, which is certainly still interesting to listen to :)
>
>
> I think this topic is really not about lojban.
> May be about semantic prims but definitely i'll never stop using {.a'o}
>
> On Sep 1, 2012 11:26 AM, "la .lindar." <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> .a'o isn't kanpe je djica, it'n pacna. Has everybody forgotten about pacna?
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<br><br>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 9:44:06 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;bac=
kground-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-si=
ze:12pt"><div><span>Good move!&nbsp; Semantic primitives play no significan=
t role in Lojban and, if the point of all this is to get to a primitive lis=
t of attitudes, then it is a misguided project from a Lojbanic point of vie=
w.<br></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Who will =
discuss semantics primes if not us? Any forum you are aware of? I'm afraid =
they are discussed nowhere.</div><div><br></div><div><div>loi sapyvalsi .uu=
 poi me lai semantikprim</div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;fo=
nt-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,time=
s,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york=
,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=
=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></=
b> la gleki &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-ma=
ilto=3D"uWA4KyGXyOEJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" g=
df-obfuscated-mailto=3D"uWA4KyGXyOEJ">loj...@googlegroups.com</a> <br> <b><=
span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 1, 201=
2 11:32 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: =
[lojban] Re: Is there any
 real diffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)?<br> </font> </div> <b=
r>
<div><br><br>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 8:17:25 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wrot=
e:<blockquote style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div>good point.&nbsp; If au and ai both have pretty mu=
ch exact bridi equivalents, and those bridi have pretty much exact english =
equivalents it doesn't seem like we're necessarily talking about a lojban q=
uestion any more.&nbsp; More like a psychology question, which is certainly=
 still interesting to listen to :)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I =
think this topic is really not about lojban.</div><div>May be about semanti=
c prims but definitely i'll never stop using {.a'o}</div><blockquote style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>

<div>On Sep 1, 2012 11:26 AM, "la .lindar." &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow">lindar.=
..@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
.a'o isn't kanpe je djica, it'n pacna. Has everybody forgotten about pacna?=
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