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well, it seems useful, but still I'm rather confused.

How do you express the following examples with the new definition?

1. He did a 900=B0 (a skateboard trick, rotation to the right in the
transverse plane, person joi skateboard (xilta'o) same rotation)

2. The car rotates *around me*

3. The car is spinning (around its own axis) *and *rotates around the moose
(on the left side of the moose)

4. She did a back flip (axis her own head, rotation feet to the front) and
landed lying face down

5. Tony kickflips his board 90=B0 left in the sagittal plane, and at the sa=
me
time rotates his body 180=B0 to the right in the coronal plane

Is it even possible to describe movements like this in a convenient way
with the new definition?

What's the difference between gunro and carna, except that gunro needs a
surface in the 2nd place?

mu'omi'e jongausib





2012/9/2 la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>

>
>
> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:57:02 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>>
>> Am 29.08.2012 07:35, schrieb la gleki:
>> > I wonder how selpa'i is gonna translate
>> > "Rotate the screen 90 deg. clockwise"
>> > "Rotate the screen 180 deg. clockwise"
>>
>> How about:
>> [ko gasnu lo nu] lo vidni cufi'u vo si'e carna lo pritu
>> [Make it so that] the screen turns a quarter in clockwise direction.
>>
>> The x2 of si'e would be used to refer to a single complete rotation,
>> which I would understand to be the default value for si'e2 when used
>> with carna. The default could be defined as "PA si'e lo carlai be li
>> pa", so that PA tells us how many rotations (or what fraction of a
>> rotation) occur.
>>
>
>
> si'e says nothing about full rotation. It's {carna} that must do the job.
> And if we assume that {carna} imples one full revolution by default
> then... well...
>
>
>
>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>>
>> --
>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
>>
>> ^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror
>> ^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw
>>
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well, it seems useful, but still I&#39;m rather confused.<br><br>How do you=
 express the following examples with the new definition?<br><br>1. He did a=
 900<font color=3D"#000000"><font face=3D"Times New Roman, serif">=B0 (a sk=
ateboard trick, rotation to the right in the transverse plane, person joi s=
kateboard (xilta&#39;o) same rotation)<br>
<br>2. The car rotates <i>around me</i> <br><br>3. The car is spinning (aro=
und its own axis) <i>and </i>rotates around the moose (on the left side of =
the moose)<br><br>4. She did a back flip (axis her own head, rotation feet =
to the front) and landed lying face down<br>
<br>5. Tony kickflips his board 90</font></font><font color=3D"#000000"><fo=
nt face=3D"Times New Roman, serif">=B0 left in the sagittal plane, and at t=
he same time rotates his body 180</font></font><font color=3D"#000000"><fon=
t face=3D"Times New Roman, serif">=B0 to the right in the coronal plane<br>
<br>Is it even possible to describe movements like this in a convenient way=
 with the new definition?<br><br>What&#39;s the difference between gunro an=
d carna, except that gunro needs a surface in the 2nd place?<br><br>mu&#39;=
omi&#39;e jongausib<br>
<br><br></font></font>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0cm;font-weight:normal"><br></p>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/9/2 la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my=
.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br><br>On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:57:02 PM UTC+4, se=
lpa&#39;i wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-=
left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 29.08.2012 07:35=
, schrieb la gleki:
<br>&gt; I wonder how selpa&#39;i is gonna translate
<br>&gt; &quot;Rotate the screen 90 deg. clockwise&quot;
<br>&gt; &quot;Rotate the screen 180 deg. clockwise&quot;
<br>
<br>How about:
<br>[ko gasnu lo nu] lo vidni cufi&#39;u vo si&#39;e carna lo pritu
<br>[Make it so that] the screen turns a quarter in clockwise direction.
<br>
<br>The x2 of si&#39;e would be used to refer to a single complete rotation=
,=20
<br>which I would understand to be the default value for si&#39;e2 when use=
d=20
<br>with carna. The default could be defined as &quot;PA si&#39;e lo carlai=
 be li=20
<br>pa&quot;, so that PA tells us how many rotations (or what fraction of a=
=20
<br>rotation) occur.
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>si&#39;e says not=
hing about full rotation. It&#39;s {carna} that must do the job.</div><div>=
And if we assume that {carna} imples one full revolution by default then...=
 well...</div>
<div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex">
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i
<br>
<br>--=20
<br>pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo
<br>
<br>^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror
<br>^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw
<br>
<br></blockquote>

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