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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016a673799ce04c8baa676 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04016a673799ce04c8baa676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_location for the different planes 2012/9/2 Sebastian Fr=F6jd > well, it seems useful, but still I'm rather confused. > > How do you express the following examples with the new definition? > > 1. He did a 900=B0 (a skateboard trick, rotation to the right in the > transverse plane, person joi skateboard (xilta'o) same rotation) > > 2. The car rotates *around me* > > 3. The car is spinning (around its own axis) *and *rotates around the > moose (on the left side of the moose) > > 4. She did a back flip (axis her own head, rotation feet to the front) an= d > landed lying face down > > 5. Tony kickflips his board 90=B0 left in the sagittal plane, and at the > same time rotates his body 180=B0 to the right in the coronal plane > > Is it even possible to describe movements like this in a convenient way > with the new definition? > > What's the difference between gunro and carna, except that gunro needs a > surface in the 2nd place? > > mu'omi'e jongausib > > > > > > 2012/9/2 la gleki > >> >> >> On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:57:02 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: >>> >>> Am 29.08.2012 07:35, schrieb la gleki: >>> > I wonder how selpa'i is gonna translate >>> > "Rotate the screen 90 deg. clockwise" >>> > "Rotate the screen 180 deg. clockwise" >>> >>> How about: >>> [ko gasnu lo nu] lo vidni cufi'u vo si'e carna lo pritu >>> [Make it so that] the screen turns a quarter in clockwise direction. >>> >>> The x2 of si'e would be used to refer to a single complete rotation, >>> which I would understand to be the default value for si'e2 when used >>> with carna. The default could be defined as "PA si'e lo carlai be li >>> pa", so that PA tells us how many rotations (or what fraction of a >>> rotation) occur. >>> >> >> >> si'e says nothing about full rotation. It's {carna} that must do the job= . >> And if we assume that {carna} imples one full revolution by default >> then... well... >> >> >> >>> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i >>> >>> -- >>> pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo >>> >>> ^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror >>> ^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/su_9XKeKKNEJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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2012/9/2 Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool= .ogi@gmail.com>
well, it seems useful, but still I'm rather confused.

How do you= express the following examples with the new definition?

1. He did a= 900=B0 (a sk= ateboard trick, rotation to the right in the transverse plane, person joi s= kateboard (xilta'o) same rotation)

2. The car rotates around me

3. The car is spinning (aro= und its own axis) and rotates around the moose (on the left side of = the moose)

4. She did a back flip (axis her own head, rotation feet = to the front) and landed lying face down

5. Tony kickflips his board 90
=B0 left in the sagittal plane, and at t= he same time rotates his body 180=B0 to the right in the coronal plane

Is it even possible to describe movements like this in a convenient way= with the new definition?

What's the difference between gunro an= d carna, except that gunro needs a surface in the 2nd place?

mu'= omi'e jongausib





2012/9/2 la gleki <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com>


On Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:57:02 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wro= te:
Am 29.08.2012 07:35, schrieb la = gleki:
> I wonder how selpa'i is gonna translate
> "Rotate the screen 90 deg. clockwise"
> "Rotate the screen 180 deg. clockwise"

How about:
[ko gasnu lo nu] lo vidni cufi'u vo si'e carna lo pritu
[Make it so that] the screen turns a quarter in clockwise direction.

The x2 of si'e would be used to refer to a single complete rotation= ,=20
which I would understand to be the default value for si'e2 when use= d=20
with carna. The default could be defined as "PA si'e lo carlai= be li=20
pa", so that PA tells us how many rotations (or what fraction of a= =20
rotation) occur.


si'e says not= hing about full rotation. It's {carna} that must do the job.
= And if we assume that {carna} imples one full revolution by default then...= well...



mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

--=20
pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo .e nai zo lejbo

^:i \jl /flr sen |ziu \su xn go kror
^:i \sym tfn /zu viw \xn jy ^jaiw

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