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la gleki, On 02/09/2012 18:17:
> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:07:24 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>
>         Who will discuss semantics primes if not us? Any forum you are aware of? I'm afraid they are discussed nowhere.
>
>
>     Guaspi? Any other conlang group?

Engelang is the best place. You might find only a couple of people interested in discussing semantic primitives from a conlanging perspective, but that'sstill the aptest place.

> What is more, in this case I have a clear feeling that {.a'o} *is* a
> prime. But probably it's only my philosophy.

A couple of people (xorxes? selpa'i?) have pointed out that hope is desideration when the desiderator does not know whether the desideratum is the case. So although hope is a cognitively and experientially salient mindstate, it is not primitive.

--And.

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