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Is Engelang still functioning?=A0 I haven't seen anything for more than a y=
ear.=A0 Or is it in a new locale?




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To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real diffrence between hope (.a'o) a=
nd desire (.au)?
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la gleki, On 02/09/2012 18:17:
> On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:07:24 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:
>
>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0  Who will discuss semantics primes if not us? Any forum yo=
u are aware of? I'm afraid they are discussed nowhere.
>
>
>=A0 =A0  Guaspi? Any other conlang group?

Engelang is the best place. You might find only a couple of people interest=
ed in discussing semantic primitives from a conlanging perspective, but tha=
t'sstill the aptest place.

> What is more, in this case I have a clear feeling that {.a'o} *is* a
> prime. But probably it's only my philosophy.

A couple of people (xorxes? selpa'i?) have pointed out that hope is desider=
ation when the desiderator does not know whether the desideratum is the cas=
e. So although hope is a cognitively and experientially salient mindstate, =
it is not primitive.

--And.

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Is Engelang still fun=
ctioning?&nbsp; I haven't seen anything for more than a year.&nbsp; Or is i=
t in a new locale?<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div sty=
le=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt=
;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; fon=
t-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=
=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> And Rosta &l=
t;and.rosta@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</sp=
an></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">=
Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 2, 2012 2:49 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] Re: Is there any real di=
ffrence between hope (.a'o) and desire (.au)?<br> </font> </div> <br>
la gleki, On 02/09/2012 18:17:<br>&gt; On Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:07:24=
 PM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  W=
ho will discuss semantics primes if not us? Any forum you are aware of? I'm=
 afraid they are discussed nowhere.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp;  G=
uaspi? Any other conlang group?<br><br>Engelang is the best place. You migh=
t find only a couple of people interested in discussing semantic primitives=
 from a conlanging perspective, but that'sstill the aptest place.<br><br>&g=
t; What is more, in this case I have a clear feeling that {.a'o} *is* a<br>=
&gt; prime. But probably it's only my philosophy.<br><br>A couple of people=
 (xorxes? selpa'i?) have pointed out that hope is desideration when the des=
iderator does not know whether the desideratum is the case. So although hop=
e is a cognitively and experientially salient mindstate, it is not primitiv=
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