Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:54783) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9B2r-0007Zk-5L; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:33:25 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf288218vbz.16 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:33:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=A9BBWT+dXL8PUheYk3lPtbTRHQMeSc6/7mHc7nkWpqw=; b=NyXxWid8SZaC9uTmTTITpZZ/xVqBQD+2ndJEPDdCYn3bGwzOD5JqL4XCP/Qj4F2MFR H4CgVNpMoE3qejI/XnM8AZfkXIjJy6lvM3F7xmUIi09TcBNJeu1ptDYQ/LkRegsSGXBP 0Qm4ptfST/cBhcdBwqKdUfukBoMmMAbSeq+mJpREx7kUlNjQlc5NCqIoIaVFdtXPTIdS h4wCw68lYXfd9JjZTFggsqLVdruWBf2Fu915ge4KmyA5qD/sLCFIXfQwOTZy4rKexKrq aadTm5/NfqqUZKiC6ooLcx53iGmr0HwHrGxhIQsgNOMF2nMljqjlK8UsY4wAB4+QEd0T WLuQ== Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr2049469yhm.0.1346833981919; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:33:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.133.84 with SMTP id p60ls389358yhi.5.gmail; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr2049466yhm.0.1346833981278; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1346349196.3704.20.camel@XPS> <5205bc46-a78f-4366-b041-2af2d2785855@googlegroups.com> <5b8704f5-7c2f-4977-b704-26d827d7547d@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Best free offline Android apps for learning Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85_5641687.1346833980559" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_85_5641687.1346833980559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 1:47:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > Yes, all of the Lojban materials are available. You might need to look for > them, but if you ask on here, someone will know where to find what you're > looking for. > > Also, Memrise has an API, and although it's very basic at this point, it > might be enough to make a working app out of. > > The documentation is here: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/faq/ > > This is an example, wherein we request the list of all courses for Lojban: > > http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/iset/?format=json&topic__slug=lojban&limit=37 > > This is an example, the second set of 100 words in the "Simplified Gismu" > course, including all applicable information such as definition: > > http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/?format=json&iset__slug=simplified-gismu-2&limit=100&offset=100 > > And finally, this is an example wherein we request all the "mems" > of the item "cmalu" in the "Simplified Gismu" course: > http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/?format=json&item=191558 > > Everything is json formatted. The API developer stated he might make other > schemes available. > > Not everything is documented, either. I had to figure out the mem one on > my own. You can get a (json formatted) list of all available commands by > going to the following urls: > iset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/iset/schema/ > item: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/item/schema/ > itemiset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/schema/ > itemuser: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemuser/schema/ > lsession: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/lsession/schema/ > mem: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/schema/ > topic: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/topic/schema/ > user: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/user/schema/ > > The developer also mentioned that the API is read only at this point, so > you can't do anything that would change server data. > So the iphone app cant sync back too? .i .uinai > > That's about as much help as I can give you as far as materials. You can > access everything on Memrise that there is using that API, AFAICT. > > As far as the logic for the "gardening", I don't think it's currently > possible to use the API to login in as a user, so it's not possible sync > with the Memrise site, but other than that I don't think it'd be /too/ > difficult. > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Braden Shepherdson > > wrote: > >> I'm an Android developer in my day job these days, so I may take a >> look at this. Vocabulary is my main thing to learn to improve. Knowing >> the grammar and looking up 3/4s of the words in a sentence is hardly >> knowing Lojban. >> >> I'm not sure how complex memrise would be to clone, though. Are the >> materials (ie. the Lojban corpus data) available, at least? How >> complex are the logic for displaying and testing, and the visuals? >> >> I suppose I should look into using memrise online first and find out. >> >> Braden >> >> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:22 AM, la gleki > >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:27:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >> >> >> Google alerts just showed me this: >> >> >> >> lojban learn word - Android Apps on Google Play >> >> >> >> Looks like .iocikun. listened to Lindar. >> > >> > >> > Unfortunately it's no better than Anki. You might cheat saying that you >> know >> > any given word. >> > In contrast to that Memrise really tests your language proficiency. >> > Just a simple flashcard app with multiple choices for every answer >> would be >> > enough before memrise for android arrives. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> A little bit of research and I found a user-made BETA android memrise >> >>> app, which you can learn more about here: http://memrise.anty.info/I have >> >>> /no idea/ how good it is, I have not looked into it at all myself, >> except to >> >>> find it. >> >>> >> >>> There is also mention by Memrise's mobile developer that they have >> plans >> >>> to make an android app themselves at some point, but they give >> absolutely no >> >>> details: http://www.memrise.com/thread/489048/#c19958 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:25 AM, la gleki >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:49:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:50:19 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Oh, derp. >> >>>>>>> Hmm... make one? Get the Japanese person to make one? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The version of memrise for iOS is exactly what I need. It can run >> >>>>>> offline. But >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Oh, the message got cut off. >> >>>>> This "But" looks like {ku'i co'e} where {co'e} means "I don't like >> iOS" >> >>>>> zo'o >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Actually, my assumption was "... I don't have an iProduct." That >> happens >> >>>> to be my reason as well, although I'll admit the reason for /that/ is >> >>>> because I don't like Apple Co. and it's elitist overpriced >> consumables. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>> >> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>> >> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 1:47:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:Yes, all of the Lojban materials a= re available. You might need to look for them, but if you ask on here, some= one will know where to find what you're looking for.

Also, Memrise h= as an API, and although it's very basic at this point, it might be enough t= o make a working app out of.

The documentation is here: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/faq/

T= his is an example, wherein we request the list of all courses for Lojban:http://www.memrise.com/api/= 1.0/iset/?format=3Djson&topic__slug=3Dlojban&limit=3D37

This is an example, the second set of 100 words in the "Simplified Gism= u" course, including all applicable information such as definition:
= http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/?format=3Djson&iset__= slug=3Dsimplified-gismu-2&limit=3D100&offset=3D100

And finally, this is an example wherein we request all the "mems" of = the item "cmalu" in the "Simplified Gismu" course:
http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/?format=3Djs= on&item=3D191558

Everything is json formatted. The API devel= oper stated he might make other schemes available.

Not everything is documented, either. I had to figure out the mem one o= n my own. You can get a (json formatted) list of all available commands by = going to the following urls:
iset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/is= et/schema/
item: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/item/schema/
itemiset: h= ttp://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/schema/
itemuser: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemuser/schema/
ls= ession: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/lsession/schema/
mem: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/schema/
topic: http://www= .memrise.com/api/1.0/topic/schema/
user: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/user/schema/

The develo= per also mentioned that the API is read only at this point, so you can't do= anything that would change server data.

So the iphone app cant sync back too? .i .uinai 

That's about as much help as I can give you as far as materials. You ca= n access everything on Memrise that there is using that API, AFAICT.
As far as the logic for the "gardening", I don't think it's currently poss= ible to use the API to login in as a user, so it's not possible sync with t= he Memrise site, but other than that I don't think it'd be /too/ difficult.=

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Braden Sheph= erdson <braden.sh...@gmail.com> wr= ote:
I'm an Android developer in my day job these days, so I may take a
look at this. Vocabulary is my main thing to learn to improve. Knowing
the grammar and looking up 3/4s of the words in a sentence is hardly
knowing Lojban.

I'm not sure how complex memrise would be to clone, though. Are the
materials (ie. the Lojban corpus data) available, at least? How
complex are the logic for displaying and testing, and the visuals?

I suppose I should look into using memrise online first and find out.

Braden

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:22 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:27:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> Google alerts just showed me this:
>>
>> lojban learn word - Android Apps on Google Play
>>
>> Looks like .iocikun. listened to Lindar.
>
>
> Unfortunately it's no better than Anki. You might cheat saying that yo= u know
> any given word.
> In contrast to that Memrise  really tests your language proficien= cy.
> Just a simple flashcard app with multiple choices for every answer wou= ld be
> enough before memrise for android arrives.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Jonathan Jones <
eye...@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A little bit of research and I found a user-made BETA android = memrise
>>> app, which you can learn more about here: http://memrise.anty.info/ I have >>> /no idea/ how good it is, I have not looked into it at all mys= elf, except to
>>> find it.
>>>
>>> There is also mention by Memrise's mobile developer that they = have plans
>>> to make an android app themselves at some point, but they give= absolutely no
>>> details: http://www.memrise.com/thread/489048/#c19958=
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...= @gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:25 AM, la gleki <gleki.is= ...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:49:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki = wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:50:19 AM UTC+4, la .l= indar. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, derp.
>>>>>>> Hmm... make one? Get the Japanese person to ma= ke one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The version of memrise for iOS is exactly what I n= eed. It can run
>>>>>> offline. But
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the message got cut off.
>>>>> This "But" looks like {ku'i co'e} where {co'e} means "= I don't like iOS"
>>>>> zo'o
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, my assumption was "... I don't have an iProduct.= " That happens
>>>> to be my reason as well, although I'll admit the reason fo= r /that/ is
>>>> because I don't like Apple Co. and it's elitist overpriced= consumables.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu do zo'o
>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
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