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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba308f2e1ca55b04c8f04e1f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --90e6ba308f2e1ca55b04c8f04e1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:33 AM, la gleki wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 1:47:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> Yes, all of the Lojban materials are available. You might need to look >>> for them, but if you ask on here, someone will know where to find what >>> you're looking for. >>> >>> Also, Memrise has an API, and although it's very basic at this point, it >>> might be enough to make a working app out of. >>> >>> The documentation is here: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/faq/ >>> >>> This is an example, wherein we request the list of all courses for >>> Lojban: >>> http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/iset/?format=json&topic__** >>> slug=lojban&limit=37 >>> >>> This is an example, the second set of 100 words in the "Simplified >>> Gismu" course, including all applicable information such as definition: >>> http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/itemiset/?format=json&iset__** >>> slug=simplified-gismu-2&limit=**100&offset=100 >>> >>> And finally, this is an example wherein we request all the "mems" >>> of the item "cmalu" in the "Simplified Gismu" course: >>> http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/mem/?format=json&item=191558 >>> >>> Everything is json formatted. The API developer stated he might make >>> other schemes available. >>> >>> Not everything is documented, either. I had to figure out the mem one on >>> my own. You can get a (json formatted) list of all available commands by >>> going to the following urls: >>> iset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/iset/schema/ >>> item: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/item/schema/ >>> itemiset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/itemiset/schema/ >>> itemuser: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/itemuser/schema/ >>> lsession: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/lsession/schema/ >>> mem: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/mem/schema/ >>> topic: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/topic/schema/ >>> user: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.**0/user/schema/ >>> >>> The developer also mentioned that the API is read only at this point, so >>> you can't do anything that would change server data. >>> >> >> So the iphone app cant sync back too? .i .uinai >> > > I can't say, because I do not now, nor will I ever have, any iProduct, but > I imagine that, since the app is developed by Memrise, it does not have > that limitation. I also imagine that it does*, in fact, use only the API I > linked. > *does NOT use only the API.... > That's about as much help as I can give you as far as materials. You can >>> access everything on Memrise that there is using that API, AFAICT. >>> >>> As far as the logic for the "gardening", I don't think it's currently >>> possible to use the API to login in as a user, so it's not possible sync >>> with the Memrise site, but other than that I don't think it'd be /too/ >>> difficult. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Braden Shepherdson < >>> braden.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm an Android developer in my day job these days, so I may take a >>>> look at this. Vocabulary is my main thing to learn to improve. Knowing >>>> the grammar and looking up 3/4s of the words in a sentence is hardly >>>> knowing Lojban. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how complex memrise would be to clone, though. Are the >>>> materials (ie. the Lojban corpus data) available, at least? How >>>> complex are the logic for displaying and testing, and the visuals? >>>> >>>> I suppose I should look into using memrise online first and find out. >>>> >>>> Braden >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:22 AM, la gleki wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:27:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Google alerts just showed me this: >>>> >> >>>> >> lojban learn word - Android Apps on Google Play >>>> >> >>>> >> Looks like .iocikun. listened to Lindar. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Unfortunately it's no better than Anki. You might cheat saying that >>>> you know >>>> > any given word. >>>> > In contrast to that Memrise really tests your language proficiency. >>>> > Just a simple flashcard app with multiple choices for every answer >>>> would be >>>> > enough before memrise for android arrives. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> A little bit of research and I found a user-made BETA android >>>> memrise >>>> >>> app, which you can learn more about here: http://memrise.anty.info/I have >>>> >>> /no idea/ how good it is, I have not looked into it at all myself, >>>> except to >>>> >>> find it. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There is also mention by Memrise's mobile developer that they have >>>> plans >>>> >>> to make an android app themselves at some point, but they give >>>> absolutely no >>>> >>> details: http://www.memrise.com/thread/**489048/#c19958 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:25 AM, la gleki >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:49:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:50:19 AM UTC+4, la .lindar. wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Oh, derp. >>>> >>>>>>> Hmm... make one? Get the Japanese person to make one? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> The version of memrise for iOS is exactly what I need. It can run >>>> >>>>>> offline. But >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh, the message got cut off. >>>> >>>>> This "But" looks like {ku'i co'e} where {co'e} means "I don't >>>> like iOS" >>>> >>>>> zo'o >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Actually, my assumption was "... I don't have an iProduct." That >>>> happens >>>> >>>> to be my reason as well, although I'll admit the reason for /that/ >>>> is >>>> >>>> because I don't like Apple Co. and it's elitist overpriced >>>> consumables. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>>> zo'o >>>> >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >> >>>> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >> >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > "lojban" group. >>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> > https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban/-/EckQWtUn0pwJ >>>> . >>>> > >>>> > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> > lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:33 AM= , la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012 1:47:39 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:Yes, all of the Lojban materials are avail= able. You might need to look for them, but if you ask on here, someone will= know where to find what you're looking for.

Also, Memrise has an API, and although it's very basic at this poin= t, it might be enough to make a working app out of.

The documentation is here: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/faq/
This is an example, wherein we request the list of all courses for Lojban:=
http://www.memrise.com/api/1.= 0/iset/?format=3Djson&topic__slug=3Dlojban&limit=3D37=

This is an example, the second set of 100 words in the "Simplified= Gismu" course, including all applicable information such as definitio= n:
http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/?format=3Djson&a= mp;iset__slug=3Dsimplified-gismu-2&limit=3D100&offset= =3D100

And finally, this is an example wherein we request all the "mems= " of the item "cmalu" in the "Simplified Gismu" co= urse:
http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/?format=3D= json&item=3D191558

Everything is json formatted. The API dev= eloper stated he might make other schemes available.

Not everything is documented, either. I had to figure out the mem one o= n my own. You can get a (json formatted) list of all available commands by = going to the following urls:
iset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/= iset/schema/
item: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/item/schema/
itemiset: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemiset/schema/
itemuser: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/itemuser/schema/
= lsession: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/lsession/schema/
mem: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/mem/schema/
topic: http://= www.memrise.com/api/1.0/topic/schema/
user: http://www.memrise.com/api/1.0/user/schema/

The deve= loper also mentioned that the API is read only at this point, so you can= 9;t do anything that would change server data.

So the iphone app cant sync back too= ? .i .uinai=A0

I can't say, because I = do not now, nor will I ever have, any iProduct, but I imagine that, since t= he app is developed by Memrise, it does not have that limitation. I also im= agine that it does*, in fact, use only the API I linked.

*does NOT use only the API....
=A0
=
That's about as much help as I can give you as far as materials. You ca= n access everything on Memrise that there is using that API, AFAICT.
As far as the logic for the "gardening", I don't think it= 9;s currently possible to use the API to login in as a user, so it's no= t possible sync with the Memrise site, but other than that I don't thin= k it'd be /too/ difficult.

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM, B= raden Shepherdson <braden.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm an Android developer in my day job these days, so I may take a
look at this. Vocabulary is my main thing to learn to improve. Knowing
the grammar and looking up 3/4s of the words in a sentence is hardly
knowing Lojban.

I'm not sure how complex memrise would be to clone, though. Are the
materials (ie. the Lojban corpus data) available, at least? How
complex are the logic for displaying and testing, and the visuals?

I suppose I should look into using memrise online first and find out.

Braden

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:22 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 1:27:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>
>> Google alerts just showed me this:
>>
>> lojban learn word - Android Apps on Google Play
>>
>> Looks like .iocikun. listened to Lindar.
>
>
> Unfortunately it's no better than Anki. You might cheat saying tha= t you know
> any given word.
> In contrast to that Memrise =A0really tests your language proficiency.=
> Just a simple flashcard app with multiple choices for every answer wou= ld be
> enough before memrise for android arrives.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A little bit of research and I found a user-made BETA android = memrise
>>> app, which you can learn more about here: http://memrise.anty.info/ I have >>> /no idea/ how good it is, I have not looked into it at all mys= elf, except to
>>> find it.
>>>
>>> There is also mention by Memrise's mobile developer that t= hey have plans
>>> to make an android app themselves at some point, but they give= absolutely no
>>> details: http://www.memrise.com/thread/489048/#c19958
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...= @gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:25 AM, la gleki <gleki.is= ...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 9:49:32 AM UTC+4, la gleki = wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 31, 2012 8:50:19 AM UTC+4, la .l= indar. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, derp.
>>>>>>> Hmm... make one? Get the Japanese person to ma= ke one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The version of memrise for iOS is exactly what I n= eed. It can run
>>>>>> offline. But
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the message got cut off.
>>>>> This "But" looks like {ku'i co'e} wh= ere {co'e} means "I don't like iOS"
>>>>> zo'o
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, my assumption was "... I don't have an = iProduct." That happens
>>>> to be my reason as well, although I'll admit the reaso= n for /that/ is
>>>> because I don't like Apple Co. and it's elitist ov= erpriced consumables.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi= patfu do zo'o
>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu do zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>
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