Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:47896) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9BvB-0008CG-OS; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:35 -0700 Received: by weyu3 with SMTP id u3sf152642wey.16 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FDyzZnNNw7To8sTm+hXaJsRL9nZiPP3K4gbxxzrTpVU=; b=sDEL8PkLFf+EKp+gMkdGBHZUW2jxi4s2L28MGugh2f1+LS9jS3I00wt7CTJ2b0daem 2mxKDLFc6s1xC9mxGFOUJJOv4Q7V2UfaINrK3FaKODe6kseCBxJ+K9iLVSKZGSdCFHw1 mv2fs50Kgv+jnC3mbS/NQUoNmpKSLkawc5LtKdOjlWLMJMowWK4mpG35ov/huboMi/1I u5G3lo8hmjlFo1cYVIWgdmwKLuAp50+x95naivvWYcAmvv9+B9ohI2bt8TLyExxLuFhb qtVlt4SrvJTgR6nv19HKwjxOLd+xoQlNBXPNp5yRUwXZMuAruK0qy7Cf9X3s6cSUt/ns LNUA== Received: by 10.204.133.195 with SMTP id g3mr1231531bkt.15.1346837349872; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.148.136 with SMTP id p8ls87591bkv.3.gmail; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr2487827bkw.1.1346837348795; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.76 with SMTP id n12mr2487826bkw.1.1346837348773; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4si236179bkj.3.2012.09.05.02.29.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.41; Received: by lahd3 with SMTP id d3so209320lah.0 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.46 with SMTP id hx14mr19314333lab.21.1346837348334; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.40.71 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 02:29:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120905091204.GN21744@samsa> References: <9f593537-0c09-41db-8a12-cd422accfe84@googlegroups.com> <20120726113225.GJ27726@samsa> <549a9e15-d088-4793-a446-0fb510f70cec@googlegroups.com> <20120905091204.GN21744@samsa> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:29:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee3bcb7bb1f04c8f101b9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54ee3bcb7bb1f04c8f101b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:12 AM, v4hn wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM, la .lindar. > wrote: > > > > > Crowd source!! > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:18:43AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Volunteers? > > That's not exactly how crowd sourcing works.. > > - Where's the page with the exact instructions for the task? > (not just some memrise page and a long mail thread) > > - Where's a list of jobs to do? I mean "here's the file, everyone, chop > it" is _one_ > job, not a bunch of them. Just split the word lists (also the audio if > possible) > into manageable chunks, number them and and add a wiki page, > where people can mark finished items. > > - What to do with the final audio file of each job? > > > v4hn > That's /exactly/ how crowd sourcing works. A bunch of people volunteer, and they're told what to do. IFF I get volunteers, then I will provide exact instructions on what to do, how to do it, and what to do with the finished work. If I don't get volunteers, then doing any of that work is pointless and a waste of time. As such, there is not currently a page of instructions, nor a list of jobs, nor any other thing. I hope you don't think that me writing the instructions, cutting the audio into manageable chunks, giving them unique identifiers, creating a means by which volunteers can claim one or more of the chunks to prevent worker overlap, posting all of these things somewhere, and providing a repository for completed jobs, takes no effort on my part, because you would be sorely mistaken. I am not willing to go through all that effort if no one is going to volunteer. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:12 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de= > wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>
> > Crowd source!!

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:18:43AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Volunteers?

That's not exactly how crowd sourcing works..

- Where's the page with the exact instructions for the task?
=A0 (not just some memrise page and a long mail thread)

- Where's a list of jobs to do? I mean "here's the file, every= one, chop it" is _one_
=A0 job, not a bunch of them. Just split the word lists (also the audio if = possible)
=A0 into manageable chunks, number them and and add a wiki page,
=A0 where people can mark finished items.

- What to do with the final audio file of each job?


v4hn

That's /exactly/ how crowd sourcin= g works. A bunch of people volunteer, and they're told what to do.
<= br>IFF I get volunteers, then I will provide exact instructions on what to = do, how to do it, and what to do with the finished work.

If I don't get volunteers, then doing any of that work is pointless= and a waste of time. As such, there is not currently a page of instruction= s, nor a list of jobs, nor any other thing.

I hope you don't thi= nk that me writing the instructions, cutting the audio into manageable chun= ks, giving them unique identifiers, creating a means by which volunteers ca= n claim one or more of the chunks to prevent worker overlap, posting all of= these things somewhere, and providing a repository for completed jobs, tak= es no effort on my part, because you would be sorely mistaken. I am not wil= ling to go through all that effort if no one is going to volunteer.

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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