Received: from mail-wg0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:44371) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9CTD-0008W5-Pv; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:45 -0700 Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13sf168012wgb.16 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0QOr7Jt9JU504LM17P0Z9PfW7ZXGjS3uxoPteiUmxrI=; b=FjEU5I0KLGG+SjgUKZgm1ik7+OMlFiulhRG8o8ZldhRcIgNw8Nim6G4uSqVjt8Dud7 Ft6kFuM151xGLW5lnJn65BOmZI5dCD0aJX/8KBxGt6zCyfWJyNF988/HEMT/q1MppbxI GKqcJaY5OfoNb38h7+esA9M6gLzkecSyQ7IVwANzAGvdjkiXJA43Yd8kIO5Vt7F/mDzb yMsrf7XfSYzrylaSPxfWZWKSyFeVQrSLTV4vJm0k/FXfjqIAtIDXjf46AI2Whv4Mg9DA PIJbfgnn69Jy+8Wvtd+hXdjVWlmHHRUrKs8onocs72pDZco5hHhd6kdUtmMMZk83o32f Sz0g== Received: by 10.204.156.22 with SMTP id u22mr1102527bkw.32.1346839458817; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.203 with SMTP id e11ls113774bke.8.gmail; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr2492576bks.4.1346839457895; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr2492575bks.4.1346839457861; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si257130bks.0.2012.09.05.03.04.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.177; Received: by lbbgf7 with SMTP id gf7so395604lbb.22 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.34 with SMTP id in2mr19611053lab.6.1346839457473; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.40.71 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 03:04:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9f593537-0c09-41db-8a12-cd422accfe84@googlegroups.com> <20120726113225.GJ27726@samsa> <549a9e15-d088-4793-a446-0fb510f70cec@googlegroups.com> <20120905091204.GN21744@samsa> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 04:04:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04088c756ea31804c8f17f67 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04088c756ea31804c8f17f67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Each job will be essentially the same, with the only difference between them being the actual words in your chunk With that in mind, these are the skills and software that are required to do this job: You must be able to recognize a gismu from it's pronunciation. This means that you must be able to identify and type the word solely from the audio. If you know Lojban's pronunciation, this is not difficult. This is required because while Lindar recorded the audio /mostly/ in frequency order, some were skipped, and some needed to be re-recorded. If you need a list of the gismu in frequency order, you can find it here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Word+frequency+lists%3A+gismu It is possible that there are more of both unrecorded and badly recorded words (badly recorded being words that are unidentifiable for any reason). If you encounter either in the course of your job, you must be able to contact Lindar, likely preferably via email, to inform him of these words so that he can submit new recordings. In the case of a word or three, preferably to yourself. In the case of a chunk's worth of words, preferably to me so I can add the recording to the chunk list for claimage. You must possess, on the computer you will be using to work on, Audacity, available for free here: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ You must possess, on the same computer, the LAME MP3 encoder. You can download it at this site: http://lame.sourceforge.net/, which provides the source code, or you can go here: http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.php#Binaries to download a binary, or for Windows users you can download the .dll directly from the instructions page that I will make if I get any volunteers. You must know how to collect a group of files into an archive. It does not matter if you use .zip, .rar, .7z, .tar, .tar.gz, .tar.bz, or any other format not mentioned. You must know how to attach a file to an email. You must be able to follow written instructions. Finally, you must be willing to sacrifice some of your free time to do the actual job. These last two are in my opinion no-brainers. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:12 AM, v4hn wrote: > >> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM, la .lindar. >> wrote: >> > >> > > Crowd source!! >> >> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:18:43AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > Volunteers? >> >> That's not exactly how crowd sourcing works.. >> >> - Where's the page with the exact instructions for the task? >> (not just some memrise page and a long mail thread) >> >> - Where's a list of jobs to do? I mean "here's the file, everyone, chop >> it" is _one_ >> job, not a bunch of them. Just split the word lists (also the audio if >> possible) >> into manageable chunks, number them and and add a wiki page, >> where people can mark finished items. >> >> - What to do with the final audio file of each job? >> >> >> v4hn >> > > That's /exactly/ how crowd sourcing works. A bunch of people volunteer, > and they're told what to do. > > IFF I get volunteers, then I will provide exact instructions on what to > do, how to do it, and what to do with the finished work. > > If I don't get volunteers, then doing any of that work is pointless and a > waste of time. As such, there is not currently a page of instructions, nor > a list of jobs, nor any other thing. > > I hope you don't think that me writing the instructions, cutting the audio > into manageable chunks, giving them unique identifiers, creating a means by > which volunteers can claim one or more of the chunks to prevent worker > overlap, posting all of these things somewhere, and providing a repository > for completed jobs, takes no effort on my part, because you would be sorely > mistaken. I am not willing to go through all that effort if no one is going > to volunteer. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04088c756ea31804c8f17f67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Each job will be essentially the same, with the = only difference between them being the actual words in your chunk

Wi= th that in mind, these are the skills and software that are required to do = this job:

You must be able to recognize a gismu from it's pronunciation. This= means that you must be able to identify and type the word solely from the = audio. If you know Lojban's pronunciation, this is not difficult. This = is required because while Lindar recorded the audio /mostly/ in frequency o= rder, some were skipped, and some needed to be re-recorded. If you need a l= ist of the gismu in frequency order, you can find it here: http://www.lojban.org/= tiki/Word+frequency+lists%3A+gismu

It is possible that there are more of both unrecorded and badly recorde= d words (badly recorded being words that are unidentifiable for any reason)= . If you encounter either in the course of your job, you must be able to co= ntact Lindar, likely preferably via email, to inform him of these words so = that he can submit new recordings. In the case of a word or three, preferab= ly to yourself. In the case of a chunk's worth of words, preferably to = me so I can add the recording to the chunk list for claimage.

You must possess, on the computer you will be using to work on, Audacit= y, available for free here: ht= tp://audacity.sourceforge.net/

You must possess, on the same com= puter, the LAME MP3 encoder. You can download it at this site: http://lame.sourceforge.net/, which provid= es the source code, or you can go here: http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.php#Binaries = to download a binary, or for Windows users you can download the .dll direct= ly from the instructions page that I will make if I get any volunteers.

You must know how to collect a group of files into an archive. It does = not matter if you use .zip, .rar, .7z, .tar, .tar.gz, .tar.bz, or any other format not mentioned.

You must know h= ow to attach a file to an email.

You must be able to follow written instructions.

Finally, you mu= st be willing to sacrifice some of your free time to do the actual job. The= se last two are in my opinion no-brainers.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:= 29 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:12 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>= wrote:
>
> > Crowd source!!

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 02:18:43AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Volunteers?

That's not exactly how crowd sourcing works..

- Where's the page with the exact instructions for the task?
=A0 (not just some memrise page and a long mail thread)

- Where's a list of jobs to do? I mean "here's the file, every= one, chop it" is _one_
=A0 job, not a bunch of them. Just split the word lists (also the audio if = possible)
=A0 into manageable chunks, number them and and add a wiki page,
=A0 where people can mark finished items.

- What to do with the final audio file of each job?


v4hn

That's /exactly/ how c= rowd sourcing works. A bunch of people volunteer, and they're told what= to do.

IFF I get volunteers, then I will provide exact instructions= on what to do, how to do it, and what to do with the finished work.

If I don't get volunteers, then doing any of that work is pointless= and a waste of time. As such, there is not currently a page of instruction= s, nor a list of jobs, nor any other thing.

I hope you don't thi= nk that me writing the instructions, cutting the audio into manageable chun= ks, giving them unique identifiers, creating a means by which volunteers ca= n claim one or more of the chunks to prevent worker overlap, posting all of= these things somewhere, and providing a repository for completed jobs, tak= es no effort on my part, because you would be sorely mistaken. I am not wil= ling to go through all that effort if no one is going to volunteer.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )




--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. = :D )

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