Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52646) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9Gc1-0003rF-3r; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:30:02 -0700 Received: by ggcs5 with SMTP id s5sf576741ggc.16 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RWLSnfDEn8fQG9ZlbqcfWYIQoLGgm5PsERiVTYzSI3E=; b=nAdHtnhm2vRpweNo9HtAUyXvO7ydn4pJHiIlIRA3Kqi3MyXNAYxgZQ1Ss1H+yaihK3 R5Yf7vFr0eGwKbjotdRcdSbKO4gWJJZCyVMWT0TGeOZKvdSJqjHxNiv03OM7QSUAanjd JUuau6mJCHKA5BujsqwOKHs0NszPpgu821ugfHBDklc4W5BmH0WFw0D7CRB+hk3RuHHp 0lXn31GHqjLKluN5LBSVJG9vMwiwnHnXH2JB76zaCKHF5G1lFZtgD41qTjSNakzMZFj4 ISmzaFz37oEiO0obHmbOjeZUGnTsXrN7dSLZL6lAHRNlJ1XGOtiIDHWJEaUPnLfnAMe0 EtZw== Received: by 10.50.95.202 with SMTP id dm10mr4632761igb.2.1346855382207; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.77.77 with SMTP id f13ls930279ibk.7.gmail; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.94.16 with SMTP id z16mr11564743icm.32.1346855381489; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.94.16 with SMTP id z16mr11564742icm.32.1346855381474; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rf8si642806igb.2.2012.09.05.07.29.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id un3so469996obb.27 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.169.8 with SMTP id aa8mr16932469oec.109.1346855381306; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:29:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.39.194 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Luke Bergen Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:29:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Semantics and Pragmatics with jboske ? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a35ca910bcb04c8f53490 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54a35ca910bcb04c8f53490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't see how 1 and 2 are equivalent. (1) la djan vecnu lo karce la pal (2) la pal te vecnu lo karce fi'o dunda la djan On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > Dear all, > > since jboske does the syntax job correctly (or should), has anyone > designed a way to make it carry semantic or pragmatic implications ? > > That is, the same thing as the following for English : > > (1) John sells a car to Paul > (2) Paul buys John a car > ===> (1) and (2) are compatible (equivalent, indeed!) > > (2') Paul buys John a Ferrari > ===> (1) and (2') are compatible, in this case (2') would be more specific > > and so on... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54a35ca910bcb04c8f53490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see how 1 and 2 are equivalent.
(1) la djan vecnu lo karce = la pal
(2) la pal te vecnu lo karce fi'o dunda la djan
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Escape Landsome= <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

since jboske does the syntax job correctly (or should), has anyone
designed a way to make it carry semantic or pragmatic implications ?

That is, the same thing as the following for English :

(1) John sells a car to Paul
(2) Paul buys John a car
=3D=3D=3D> (1) and (2) are compatible (equivalent, indeed!)

(2') Paul buys John a Ferrari
=3D=3D=3D> (1) and (2') are compatible, in this case (2') would = be more specific

and so on...

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