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Yes, I double posted it accidentally. My computer crashed just after
sending the first one and I thought it wasn't actually sent. Didn't knew
there was moderation, sorry about that ^^U

Thank you very much for the responses, specially for the youtube videos (I
was studying from the online complete grammar). Those are going to be
really useful.

As for the lujvo, I still have doubts. But I understand better the reasons
now, and they make sense. They are still going to be difficult for me :S

Finally, the pattern. I didn't realize STVX was also an ordered succession.
Knowing that makes it sound so much better.

I'm in love with lojban again xDD Thank you very much!

.co'o rodo

On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:08 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:

> Somehow this got double-posted and I replied to the one nobody else did.
> Reposting as such:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/**playlist?list=**PLD4538848E5DBC1AA&feature=**
> plcp<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4538848E5DBC1AA&feature=plcp>
>
> Watch the lesson videos. Pronunciation is covered. The letters were picked
> because they exist in a majority of languages. Everybody is going to have
> trouble with some of the sounds, unfortunately. Most Americans struggle
> with or at least h
>
ave to learn how to pronouce the X, but I imagine you have no problem with
> it as it exists in your native language already. It's just kind of a fact
> of the language. Swedish doesn't have the letter Z, for example. You'll
> just have to learn.
>
> Lujvo exist because they're made for creating more words. If your question
> is why we have them instead of just using the four-letter version, would
> you rather say {jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmadu} or {xagmau}/{xauzma}?
>
> se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AEIOU pattern. You'll find there
> are three common patterns in the language.
>
> 1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order.
> 2. STVX - Alphabetical order of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn't in
> Lojban.
> 3. IAU - You see this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and {tu}.
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Yes, I double posted it=A0accidentally. My computer crashed just after send=
ing the first one and I thought it wasn&#39;t actually sent. Didn&#39;t kne=
w there was moderation, sorry about that ^^U<div><br></div><div>Thank you v=
ery much for the responses, specially for the youtube videos (I was studyin=
g from the online complete grammar). Those are going to be really useful.</=
div>

<div><br></div><div>As for the lujvo, I still have doubts. But I understand=
 better the reasons now, and they make sense. They are still going to be di=
fficult for me :S</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, the pattern. I didn&#39=
;t=A0realize=A0STVX was also an ordered=A0succession. Knowing that makes it=
 sound so much better.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m in love with lojban again xDD Thank you very mu=
ch!</div><div><br></div><div>.co&#39;o rodo</div><div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 10:08 PM, la .lindar. <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebar=
d@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Somehow this got double-posted and I replied=
 to the one nobody else did. Reposting as such:<div class=3D"im"><div><br><=
/div>

<div><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=3DPLD4538848E5DBC1AA&=
amp;feature=3Dplcp" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/<u></u>playli=
st?list=3D<u></u>PLD4538848E5DBC1AA&amp;feature=3D<u></u>plcp</a><div><br><=
/div><div>

Watch the lesson videos. Pronunciation is covered.=A0The letters were picke=
d because they exist in a majority of languages.=A0Everybody is going to ha=
ve trouble with some of the sounds, unfortunately.=A0Most Americans struggl=
e with or at least h=A0</div>

</div></div></blockquote><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><=
div><div>ave to learn how to pronouce the X,=A0but I imagine you have no pr=
oblem with it as it exists in your native language=A0already. It&#39;s just=
 kind of a fact of the language. Swedish doesn&#39;t have the=A0letter Z,=
=A0for example. You&#39;ll just have to learn.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Lujvo exist because they&#39;re made for creating more =
words. If your question is why we have them instead of just using the four-=
letter version, would you rather=A0say {jongau} or {jornygasnu}? {xamgyzmad=
u} or {xagmau}/{xauzma}?</div>

<div><br></div><div>se/te/ve/xe has a pattern, just not the AEIOU pattern. =
You&#39;ll find there are three common patterns in the language.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>1. AEIOU - Obviously. Vowel order.</div><div>2. STVX - Alpha=
betical order of consonants. U is a vowel and W isn&#39;t in Lojban.</div>

<div>3. IAU - You see this for here/there/yonder, like {ti}, {ta}, and {tu}=
.</div></div>

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