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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 2_0_0_48_16146824_AB7di2IAAIr/UEl0iA2WFRPYUwE Subject: Re: [lojban] Dscript + Lojban ??? Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:14:30 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.239.139 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--679336523 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-4--679336523 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really bad policy. Pick one familiar one and work in it entirely or you wi= ll drive away more people than you can count. Lojban is hard enough to lea= rn without learning a new alphabet ( or several! ) from the getgo. Even aUI= , which functioned with only slightly weirded Latin alphabet, stubbled earl= y and often because there was always another, "real", alphabet looming. Sent from my iPad On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:13 PM, la gleki wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Friday, September 7, 2012 4:26:38 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote: > Huh weird. I'm trying to find out where I might have gotten the notion in= itially, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well. >=20 > Let's make all scripts unofficial in CLL 2.0 ))) > =20 >=20 > On 6 September 2012 19:39, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Jacob Errington wrote= : >=20 >=20 > On 6 September 2012 18:44, la .lindar. wrote: > We only have words to support hex and lower. You're welcome to do anythin= g you'd like, but the official writing system shall remain Roman.=20 >=20 > Strictly speaking, there is no official writing system. Any writing syste= m that can unambiguously refer to each of lojban's sounds is valid, but non= e is official. The Roman writing system, albeit the most widespread and de = facto official script, is not *technically* official. >=20 > Sorry to pick nits here, but I don't like seeing anyone being mislead, ev= en those who are unlikely to even really learn much lojban. >=20 > Um, you happen to be wrong on this one. The Lojban orthography which uses= the Roman script /is/ the official one, both "technically" and in reality.= It is not merely the "de facto" one. > =20 > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > =20 >=20 > (Sorry if I seem curt, but you are by no means the first person to come a= long and want to adopt a writing system for Lojban. We get one of you every= couple of months and they never stick around.) >=20 > http://youtube.com/user/rogicallanguagegroup/ Check out the video lessons= if you want to start learning right away. >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/Y6pXHvIObvQJ. > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.c= om. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.c= om. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.c= om. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/= lojban/-/N4EGRpJDXUMJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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Really bad policy.  Pick one fami= liar one and work in it entirely or you will drive away more people than yo= u can count.  Lojban is hard enough to learn without learning a new al= phabet ( or several! ) from the getgo. Even aUI, which functioned with only= slightly weirded Latin alphabet, stubbled early and often because there wa= s always another, "real", alphabet looming.

Sent from my iPad
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On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:13 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



On Friday, September 7, = 2012 4:26:38 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
Huh weird. I'm trying to find out where I might have gotten the notio= n initially, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well.
Let's make all scripts unofficial in CLL 2.0 )))
&nbs= p;

On 6 September 2012 19:39, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep = 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gma= il.com> wrote:


On 6 September 2012 18:44, la .lind= ar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:
We only have words to support hex and lower. You're welcome to do anything = you'd like, but the official writing system shall remain Roman. 

Strictly speaking, there is no officia= l writing system. Any writing system that can unambiguously refer to each o= f lojban's sounds is valid, but none is official. The Roman writing system,= albeit the most widespread and de facto official script, is not *technical= ly* official.

Sorry to pick nits here, but I don't like seeing anyone= being mislead, even those who are unlikely to even really learn much lojba= n.

Um, you happen to be wrong on thi= s one. The Lojban orthography which uses the Roman script /is/ the official= one, both "technically" and in reality. It is not merely the "de facto" on= e.
 
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.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
 

(Sorry if I seem curt, but you are by no means the first person to come alo= ng and want to adopt a writing system for Lojban. We get one of you every c= ouple of months and they never stick around.)

http://youtube.com/user/rogi= callanguagegroup/ Check out the video lessons if you want to start lear= ning right away.

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