Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:39468) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T9sSK-0001U1-M5; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:54:28 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf2047740vbz.16 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5ZYzk2bbeywzvWy0Srj03PV68aWZzLcX0pt6X1SuEdk=; b=txo6wHyPMn1XSzJNiYQrFIlvCJdQly+2UmDLT9qRSr/fwYdaWsXh6gqyEeD0p5VDK8 5AkUC0GDYk40XpnyqNS78HWOw9RFOWO6/j67FlxJR8sD+RlHPWxLXnpr8PUtp/kBiBK7 mYzdknTGbDNKKPWdrEQ/I/keB1MinuTiUX7QICxLklGcfetVKc7k7jEQciGZv+sCch2U QnyBPJgBr4dm8+LGLG8koN8kXQtSvqtkBPjJS+TvljpsTRMycWdWO3ud2l9w1bNoRo3H EZovlomGCo4avc39VNU6UKDLX8mPKc8aE00iMH1PVwAarTQkbF5SSN+t07urKW/87LVh kuLQ== Received: by 10.236.185.130 with SMTP id u2mr656677yhm.0.1347000853766; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.126.33 with SMTP id a21ls313078yhi.3.gmail; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.74.38 with SMTP id w26mr637160yhd.18.1347000853138; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <232f6cb4-36dc-4bb3-ac83-87f7c809344e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <869181E1-5FB4-4F7E-ADFB-144AEA25C19A@yahoo.com> References: <9d5f25f5-3894-4fd9-835d-004dd8fafd02@googlegroups.com> <869181E1-5FB4-4F7E-ADFB-144AEA25C19A@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Dscript + Lojban ??? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_464_30137924.1347000852676" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_464_30137924.1347000852676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, September 7, 2012 8:56:22 AM UTC+4, clifford wrote: > > Really bad policy. Pick one familiar one and work in it entirely or you > will drive away more people than you can count. Lojban is hard enough to > learn without learning a new alphabet ( or several! ) from the getgo. Even > aUI, which functioned with only slightly weirded Latin alphabet, stubbled > early and often because there was always another, "real", alphabet looming. > Well, just was kidding. Latin alphabet will be used anyway. But nobody should divert loi jbopre from creating new scripts. Lojban is a hobby for so'a jbopre. > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:13 PM, la gleki > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 7, 2012 4:26:38 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote: >> >> Huh weird. I'm trying to find out where I might have gotten the notion >> initially, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well. >> > > Let's make all scripts unofficial in CLL 2.0 ))) > > >> >> On 6 September 2012 19:39, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6 September 2012 18:44, la .lindar. wrote: >>>> >>>>> We only have words to support hex and lower. You're welcome to do >>>>> anything you'd like, but the official writing system shall remain Roman. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Strictly speaking, there is no official writing system. Any writing >>>> system that can unambiguously refer to each of lojban's sounds is valid, >>>> but none is official. The Roman writing system, albeit the most widespread >>>> and de facto official script, is not *technically* official. >>>> >>>> Sorry to pick nits here, but I don't like seeing anyone being mislead, >>>> even those who are unlikely to even really learn much lojban. >>>> >>> >>> Um, you happen to be wrong on this one. The Lojban orthography which >>> uses the Roman script /is/ the official one, both "technically" and in >>> reality. It is not merely the "de facto" one. >>> >>> >>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> (Sorry if I seem curt, but you are by no means the first person to >>>>> come along and want to adopt a writing system for Lojban. We get one of you >>>>> every couple of months and they never stick around.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://youtube.com/user/rogicallanguagegroup/ Check out the video >>>>> lessons if you want to start learning right away. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/Y6pXHvIObvQJ. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@ >>>>> googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/ >>>>> group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@ >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/ >>>> group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Friday, September 7, 2012 8:56:22 AM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
Reall= y bad policy.  Pick one familiar one and work in it entirely or you wi= ll drive away more people than you can count.  Lojban is hard enough t= o learn without learning a new alphabet ( or several! ) from the getgo. Eve= n aUI, which functioned with only slightly weirded Latin alphabet, stubbled= early and often because there was always another, "real", alphabet looming= .

Well, just was kidding. L= atin alphabet  will be used anyway.
But nobody should divert= loi jbopre from creating new scripts. Lojban is a hobby for so'a jbopre.


Sent from my iPad

On Sep 6, 2012, at 1= 1:13 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Friday, September 7= , 2012 4:26:38 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:

= On 6 September 2012 19:39, Jonathan Jones <eye...@g= mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep = 6, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.= com> wrote:


On 6 September 2012 18:44, la .lind= ar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> We only have words to support hex and lower. You're welcome to do anything = you'd like, but the official writing system shall remain Roman. 

Strictly speaking, there is no officia= l writing system. Any writing system that can unambiguously refer to each o= f lojban's sounds is valid, but none is official. The Roman writing system,= albeit the most widespread and de facto official script, is not *technical= ly* official.

Sorry to pick nits here, but I don't like seeing anyone= being mislead, even those who are unlikely to even really learn much lojba= n.

Um, you happen to be wrong on thi= s one. The Lojban orthography which uses the Roman script /is/ the official= one, both "technically" and in reality. It is not merely the "de facto" on= e.
 
=
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
 

(Sorry if I seem curt, but you are by no means the first person to come alo= ng and want to adopt a writing system for Lojban. We get one of you every c= ouple of months and they never stick around.)

http://youtube.= com/user/rogicallanguagegroup/ Check out the video lessons if you = want to start learning right away.

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